The Handmaid's Tale

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Re: The Handmaid's Tale

Post by HBS Guy » 20 Jun 2019, 19:09

2 more eps in 1hr 22 minutes!

Hope to see FIGHT!!!

Re: The Handmaid's Tale

Post by Miranda » 20 Jun 2019, 16:31

mothra wrote:
Miranda wrote:Few people are immune to the Lucifer effect.




I can't agree with that at all. I think, at worst, most people are bystanders. And whilst pack mentality certainly impels those vulnerable to acts of inhumanity and there are certainly arguments to made for the crime of complicity, i would argue that a statistically equivalent people excel as do succumb to the Lucifer Effect.

I believe it was the wonderful Victor Borge who said Nazi concentration camps brought out the very best and the very worst in people. It's certainly verifiable by every witness account that has spoken of the behavior of others. Certainly Kapos given power were notorious for exploiting it yet there are just as many stories of power used to protect, even at personal risk.I would argue, and i think this plays out in the HT, that the majority are faulted perhaps for tendency to compliance yet extreme behaviour really only comes from the few ... and that tends to be pretty evenly balanced. Ultimately at least.

It's just the weight of the results of the extremes that scream for attention.

But i do not believe that few people are immune to the Lucifer Effect at all. Not to mention, from memory at least, all of the studies cited in that book took place in institutions? That's a whopping great variable, right there.

Furthermore, what needs to considered is why Lydia says she loves the women .. and why some of the architects of Gilead were in fact, women. They truly believe they are doing God's work. That suffering here means reward in the afterlife. Well, those at the top probably don't believe that but the managers sure as hell do. Lydia does, for sure. Sure, she's liberal at handing out punishments and that does speak to the Lucifer Effect, but her motivation doesn't.

People are tremendously complex. It's tricky to assign a universal tendency.


Excellent post.

Re: The Handmaid's Tale

Post by mothra » 17 Jun 2019, 01:05

HBS Guy wrote:I was trying to make a joke.

If real, that is kinda horrifying.


From memory, it was published in the Lancet. But my memory is hazy.

Re: The Handmaid's Tale

Post by HBS Guy » 17 Jun 2019, 01:02

I was trying to make a joke.

If real, that is kinda horrifying.

Re: The Handmaid's Tale

Post by mothra » 17 Jun 2019, 01:00

HBS Guy wrote:Jesus! He cut his leg off? :bgrin



And then the guy with the head.

Now, i've used a chainsaw a few times. It's not just a slice through. There's resistance. You've got to go at it.

Own leg.

Own head.

Re: The Handmaid's Tale

Post by HBS Guy » 17 Jun 2019, 00:56

Jesus! He cut his leg off? :bgrin

Re: The Handmaid's Tale

Post by mothra » 17 Jun 2019, 00:41

Speaking of similar studies though, my favourite on the topic:

The case revolved around into pack mentality in extreme conditions with sleep deprivation, general exhaustion and alcohol.

A bunch of lumberjacks (forgotten where, wanna say Scandinavia) were off duty after a tremendously long work session. Now these guys worked sun-up to sun down, 7 days a week for months on end doing some of the hardest work you can imagine in the freezing cold.

Anyway, skip to payday and whistle blow. They're all in the pub, drinking copiously and settle into of a game of "Do you know how tough i am?"

Anyway, it escalated quickly with each feat of pain tolerance topping the previous example until one guy, so inspired, cut his leg off with a chainsaw.

Not to outdone, his mat e buzzed off his own head.

Apparently, that snapped them out of it.

Re: The Handmaid's Tale

Post by mothra » 17 Jun 2019, 00:20

Miranda wrote:Few people are immune to the Lucifer effect.




I can't agree with that at all. I think, at worst, most people are bystanders. And whilst pack mentality certainly impels those vulnerable to acts of inhumanity and there are certainly arguments to made for the crime of complicity, i would argue that a statistically equivalent people excel as do succumb to the Lucifer Effect.

I believe it was the wonderful Victor Borge who said Nazi concentration camps brought out the very best and the very worst in people. It's certainly verifiable by every witness account that has spoken of the behavior of others. Certainly Kapos given power were notorious for exploiting it yet there are just as many stories of power used to protect, even at personal risk.I would argue, and i think this plays out in the HT, that the majority are faulted perhaps for tendency to compliance yet extreme behaviour really only comes from the few ... and that tends to be pretty evenly balanced. Ultimately at least.

It's just the weight of the results of the extremes that scream for attention.

But i do not believe that few people are immune to the Lucifer Effect at all. Not to mention, from memory at least, all of the studies cited in that book took place in institutions? That's a whopping great variable, right there.

Furthermore, what needs to considered is why Lydia says she loves the women .. and why some of the architects of Gilead were in fact, women. They truly believe they are doing God's work. That suffering here means reward in the afterlife. Well, those at the top probably don't believe that but the managers sure as hell do. Lydia does, for sure. Sure, she's liberal at handing out punishments and that does speak to the Lucifer Effect, but her motivation doesn't.

People are tremendously complex. It's tricky to assign a universal tendency.

Re: The Handmaid's Tale

Post by Miranda » 16 Jun 2019, 23:15

Few people are immune to the Lucifer effect.

Re: The Handmaid's Tale

Post by HBS Guy » 16 Jun 2019, 13:28

Yes, you are probably right. Lydia was free with the use of the cattle prod, for all that the actress playing her said she played the role as if she loved the handmaidens—I did not see any love, just control, domination, punishment for displeasing Lydia. As per the Zimbardo Prison experiment.

Re: The Handmaid's Tale

Post by Miranda » 16 Jun 2019, 11:04

HBS Guy wrote:She has much more status and power than the handmaids. A better choice than the colonies.


Not really. Reminds me of the Zimbardo Prison experiment.

Re: The Handmaid's Tale

Post by HBS Guy » 15 Jun 2019, 19:17

She has much more status and power than the handmaids. A better choice than the colonies.

Re: The Handmaid's Tale

Post by Miranda » 15 Jun 2019, 13:33

HBS Guy wrote:Aunt Lydia cries. for her lost status, I think.

Just kill yourself and so make the world a better place.


I’d rather think that she has been as abused and manipulated as much as the handmaidens as all the women are, in that hell hole.

Re: The Handmaid's Tale

Post by HBS Guy » 13 Jun 2019, 22:14

Aunt Lydia cries. for her lost status, I think.

Just kill yourself and so make the world a better place.

Re: The Handmaid's Tale

Post by HBS Guy » 13 Jun 2019, 21:07

“Do a good deed or two so you can fucking sleep at night!”


cutting!

Re: The Handmaid's Tale

Post by HBS Guy » 13 Jun 2019, 20:32

Eps 3 & 4 of the Tale about to air!

Re: The Handmaid's Tale

Post by HBS Guy » 12 Jun 2019, 15:35

It was a beauty, the one air to ground flash I saw was really thick and bright, a few volts involved for sure!

Re: The Handmaid's Tale

Post by mothra » 12 Jun 2019, 15:32

HBS Guy wrote:Around midnight to 1.00am or so, fell asleep and didn’t look at the clock. Just remember that really long drawn out thunder, bit weird!


If we got it down here, i slept through it. Pity, i love electrical storms.

Re: The Handmaid's Tale

Post by HBS Guy » 12 Jun 2019, 14:42

Around midnight to 1.00am or so, fell asleep and didn’t look at the clock. Just remember that really long drawn out thunder, bit weird!

Re: The Handmaid's Tale

Post by mothra » 12 Jun 2019, 13:47

HBS Guy wrote:Did you have a good show from the thunder & lightning last night? Thunder went on for like half a minute each time!



No we missed it. Or at least i did. Got an early night. What time?

Re: The Handmaid's Tale

Post by HBS Guy » 12 Jun 2019, 11:19

Did you have a good show from the thunder & lightning last night? Thunder went on for like half a minute each time!

Re: The Handmaid's Tale

Post by HBS Guy » 12 Jun 2019, 11:09

Never saw Man Men.

Re: The Handmaid's Tale

Post by mothra » 12 Jun 2019, 09:16

HBS Guy wrote:Yes, great actor and to bring the Tale to the screen a great achievement.



She was amazing in Mad Men too ... as hard as that series was to watch for me. Brilliant, but tough for a feminist.

Re: The Handmaid's Tale

Post by HBS Guy » 11 Jun 2019, 08:24

Yes, great actor and to bring the Tale to the screen a great achievement.

Re: The Handmaid's Tale

Post by mothra » 11 Jun 2019, 07:20

HBS Guy wrote:Nice! I never realised she was the produce of the Tale.



Oh yes. She's been working on it for years.

I absolutely love her.

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