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NBN Revisited

Postby pinkeye » 07 Oct 2018, 02:28

I signed up for the NBN as soon as I was told I was eligible to change from ADSL2.
Don't ask me why... I just thought might as well. :grn I had no idea.

Big mistake.

BIG mistake



Long story short ? from 4/16 until recently I have been paying for a service the NBN and Telstra COULD NOT PROVIDE …. because ?? my house was too far from the nearest node. :roll

Until approx. two months ago,,, and a recent update to the local area NBN network, I never had the service I paid for. Then it seemed to work properly, if slowly.
I'd spent hours of my life on the phone to Telstra and NBN... hours and hours and hours. I eventually got compensated for three months . :tweed
So...
Last fortnight (time flies :roll ) :bgrin I had no internet or landline phone. No apparent reason. After more hours on the phone I was told they'd need to do stuff on the NBN tech end.
Nothing wrong with my equipment , line etc.. well doh I know enough now to know that. ( but anyway :roll )
It required NBN techs to do some work in their specialist area , on my personal computer, to get it working again. :WTF

.... SO.. people.. what was wrong? Never found out...

but its working ok now. :jump
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Re: NBN Revisited

Postby HBS Guy » 07 Oct 2018, 06:52

If you are some way from the node

—as the copper runs, the nearest node to you may not be the node you are connected to. Ask what the distance is and keep asking until they (your ISP) tell you—

Work out where you want your router to go, then:

1. Is this the first socket in your house? If yes, remove all your other phone points if you have any. If not;

2. Get a licenced cabler to run new cable from where the landline enters your house to where you want the router to go. Remove all the other phone points.


The copper internet, FTTH/FTTC, is a fucking shonky piece of rubbish that is keeping us back from creating new jobs, helping with education. Businesses on the copper rubbish suffer terribly from slow internet, dropouts etc. So much business is done on-line these days that business needs ultra reliable internet not drop outs and terribly slow internet.

SA and the City of Adelaide understand this and are running out gigabyte internet to business precincts. Well, I hope the new Lib govt in SA understands the importance of the GigCity project.
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Re: NBN Revisited

Postby Dax » 07 Oct 2018, 08:05

Deal with telstra or any of the big companies and you get this expensive outcome and pathetic service.
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Re: NBN Revisited

Postby HBS Guy » 07 Oct 2018, 09:55

Aussie Broadband or SkyMesh seem to be good—have not used either, just seen them recommended. I plan to use SkyMesh in Tassie.
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Re: NBN Revisited

Postby Dax » 07 Oct 2018, 10:09

HBS Guy wrote:Aussie Broadband or SkyMesh seem to be good—have not used either, just seen them recommended. I plan to use SkyMesh in Tassie.


Don't use skymesh or Aussie broadband, they are some of the worst you can get, have used them both before fixed wireless arrived and their service is pathetic, on satellite and copper cable. Read the threads on whirlpool to see what you get and the expense involved. In Tas, the best seem to be amaysim and mate, unlimited downloads at 25/12 for $69 at mate and service is excellent. They tried to get me to reconnect the copper to my house, but refused as neighbours who still use the copper connection, have pathetic services.

When changing from skymesh, they tried to keep charging me, slowed the transfer down and when moving from mate to amaysim, they both went out of their way to make it smooth. Because the NBN had not transferred my connected to the higher rate, couldn't connect for a day or so, Amaysim gave me a few days free unlimited and the speeds have been great.
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Re: NBN Revisited

Postby HBS Guy » 07 Oct 2018, 10:47

If on Fixed Wireless NBN and trees are between you and the tower degrading your signal, tell NBN you will raise the antenna higher. Will be some fuss but stick to your guns—and enjoy a much better NBN experience.
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Re: NBN Revisited

Postby pinkeye » 09 Oct 2018, 02:57

I'm 1.5 kms from the nearest green box.

I used my car odometer to get the distance.
There are no other boxes around.
All the gear is going in to the huge new maximum capacity city's ( read ghettos ) being developed in the area.
It is a mockery of a system.

But my computer is still working. I guess that's something. :roll
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Re: NBN Revisited

Postby HBS Guy » 09 Oct 2018, 10:01

I REALLY do not understand the stupidity of stopping the FTTH rollout and installing FTTN.

All this Australia is a big place crap is bullshit, 80% live in the 8 capital cities.

The Melton, Vic, FTTH rollout showed cost and time to rollout FTTH could be halved. Doesn’t matter what savings FTTN made, the copper has to be ripped up and replaced by FTTH at some point. And they REALLY wanted NO MORE FIBRE to e rolled out:

Parakeelia millions! @PolAnimalAus 4 Jun 2015 More

NBN co is rolling out NEW COPPER on Bridie Is! Copper! FFS! Party political of course—they start pulling fibre where Cu is crap be all FTTH!


Developers of new greenfield sites were encouraged to roll out copper and it was slightly cheaper to do that—less electronics in each dwelling.

Latest purchase by NBN Co was 21,000 kilometres of new thick German copper.

While they couldn’t get rid of the Fibre on Demand program (mostly councils negotiating to get FTTH for their area instead of FTTN which was going to be run out in communities of under 1000 dwellings they renamed it to Technology Switch and charged $600 just for a quote and the work was charged just to the person asking for the quote even if other people on the path of the fibre elected to be connected to that fibre.

One result is that the Connectivity Virtual Signal, meant to ensure early returns under FTTH, could not be phased out as it would have been with FTTH. So the copper rubbish costs too much for NBN Co to make much revenue—the FTTH part of the NBN really is underpinning the FTTN/HFC rubbish. So, as I have stated above, people will be, basically, forced to pay more for a very unsatisfactory service. More and more will elect to go wireless, further hitting NBN Co revenues.

The ACCC listened to the special pleading by the owners of backhaul and mandated 121 Points of Interconnect in place of the 14 plus some rural POIs. Small ISPs gave up, Adam Internet, beloved by its customers, let itself be bought out by a bigger ISP that in turn let itself be taken over by yet another, bigger, foreign owned ISP. None of this was in the interest of the citizens struggling with totally inadequate internet.

Small to medium businesses were put on FTTN! The process took weeks and months while these businesses had no phone or internet. Way to go to boost investment and jobs, you idiots! These businesses would all be on wireless internet by now or have 4G backup to the cobbled together crap that is FTTN.

People like Pinky should have been left on ADSL or put onto FTTH but they don’t want to roll out ANY fibre!

Such a great pity Labor did not win the 2016 election, the FTTN nonsense could have been halted. By next election, most of it will be run out and what appetite will there be to rip it up and replace FTTN/K/HFC with FTTH? There is no policy now to rip up FTTN and replace with FTTH and with over $500Bn gross public debt how could there be? There is a strategy that could be followed.

We have seen how keen NBN Co under the Libs was to avoid rolling out a millimeter of FTTH. Why? Obviously—the more people have FTTH the more other people want it. How to get some more FTTH rolled out?

1.1. Fibre on Demand. Drop the fee for a quote to something like $100.

1.2. Encourage others on the route of the fibre to take up FTTH and so spread the cost.

That should start getting some fibre being rolled out. Do the same with rural councils, get a copayment and rollout FTTH there. Rural councils REALLY know the value of good communications! I have read quite a few of the Hansard of the Select Committee on the NBN to know that!

Further:
2. Where possible without causing HUGE delays, change what FTTN/HFC is left to be rolled out to a FTTH rollout.

Since Labor will be in charge:
3. Appoint some hardheaded people to push the FTTH rollouts through! Back before 2013 NBN Co spent EIGHTEEN MONTHS negotiating with the NSW Lib govt about rent to be paid for the use of electricity poles to carry fibre. Idiots had the legislated power to roll it out over those polls and pay a minimum rent and they finally did so. Eighteen months wasted! Remember the asbestos that was found in the pits? NBN Co just sat there and did nothing for 18 months and then the election happened and FTTN got rolled out 2 years later. What a waste of time!

4. Labor can encourage, assist in and extend GigCity type schemes.


Get enough FTTH rolled out, rescue those like Pinky, and suddenly there will be enough demand to roll out FTTH widely again. Well, I think so and definitely HOPE so. New services, new applications—new jobs!
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Postby Dax » 09 Oct 2018, 10:10

HBS Guy wrote:I REALLY do not understand the stupidity of stopping the FTTH rollout and installing FTTN.

All this Australia is a big place crap is bullshit, 80% live in the 8 capital cities.

The Melton, Vic, FTTH rollout showed cost and time to rollout FTTH could be halved. Doesn’t matter what savings FTTN made, the copper has to be ripped up and replaced by FTTH at some point. And they REALLY wanted NO MORE FIBRE to e rolled out:

Parakeelia millions! @PolAnimalAus 4 Jun 2015 More

NBN co is rolling out NEW COPPER on Bridie Is! Copper! FFS! Party political of course—they start pulling fibre where Cu is crap be all FTTH!


Developers of new greenfield sites were encouraged to roll out copper and it was slightly cheaper to do that—less electronics in each dwelling.

Latest purchase by NBN Co was 21,000 kilometres of new thick German copper.

While they couldn’t get rid of the Fibre on Demand program (mostly councils negotiating to get FTTH for their area instead of FTTN which was going to be run out in communities of under 1000 dwellings they renamed it to Technology Switch and charged $600 just for a quote and the work was charged just to the person asking for the quote even if other people on the path of the fibre elected to be connected to that fibre.

One result is that the Connectivity Virtual Signal, meant to ensure early returns under FTTH, could not be phased out as it would have been with FTTH. So the copper rubbish costs too much for NBN Co to make much revenue—the FTTH part of the NBN really is underpinning the FTTN/HFC rubbish. So, as I have stated above, people will be, basically, forced to pay more for a very unsatisfactory service. More and more will elect to go wireless, further hitting NBN Co revenues.

The ACCC listened to the special pleading by the owners of backhaul and mandated 121 Points of Interconnect in place of the 14 plus some rural POIs. Small ISPs gave up, Adam Internet, beloved by its customers, let itself be bought out by a bigger ISP that in turn let itself be taken over by yet another, bigger, foreign owned ISP. None of this was in the interest of the citizens struggling with totally inadequate internet.

Small to medium businesses were put on FTTN! The process took weeks and months while these businesses had no phone or internet. Way to go to boost investment and jobs, you idiots! These businesses would all be on wireless internet by now or have 4G backup to the cobbled together crap that is FTTN.

People like Pinky should have been left on ADSL or put onto FTTH but they don’t want to roll out ANY fibre!

Such a great pity Labor did not win the 2016 election, the FTTN nonsense could have been halted. By next election, most of it will be run out and what appetite will there be to rip it up and replace FTTN/K/HFC with FTTH? There is no policy now to rip up FTTN and replace with FTTH and with over $500Bn gross public debt how could there be? There is a strategy that could be followed.

We have seen how keen NBN Co under the Libs was to avoid rolling out a millimeter of FTTH. Why? Obviously—the more people have FTTH the more other people want it. How to get some more FTTH rolled out?

1.1. Fibre on Demand. Drop the fee for a quote to something like $100.

1.2. Encourage others on the route of the fibre to take up FTTH and so spread the cost.

That should start getting some fibre being rolled out. Do the same with rural councils, get a copayment and rollout FTTH there. Rural councils REALLY know the value of good communications! I have read quite a few of the Hansard of the Select Committee on the NBN to know that!

Further:
2. Where possible without causing HUGE delays, change what FTTN/HFC is left to be rolled out to a FTTH rollout.

Since Labor will be in charge:
3. Appoint some hardheaded people to push the FTTH rollouts through! Back before 2013 NBN Co spent EIGHTEEN MONTHS negotiating with the NSW Lib govt about rent to be paid for the use of electricity poles to carry fibre. Idiots had the legislated power to roll it out over those polls and pay a minimum rent and they finally did so. Eighteen months wasted! Remember the asbestos that was found in the pits? NBN Co just sat there and did nothing for 18 months and then the election happened and FTTN got rolled out 2 years later. What a waste of time!

4. Labor can encourage, assist in and extend GigCity type schemes.


Get enough FTTH rolled out, rescue those like Pinky, and suddenly there will be enough demand to roll out FTTH widely again. Well, I think so and definitely HOPE so. New services, new applications—new jobs!


You may disagree with this, but it is very relevant when you read how the cost have skyrocketed under the guidance of he politically elected board, who by the way have huge conflicts of interest. Have you thought the real reason why they want fibre to the node and wifi.

Do the sums, they make more money and it takes much longer to do FTTN, more equipment needed, ongoing maintenance. Where as FTTH, is pretty well free of those things in my experience. We have one venue which got fibre to the premises in Tas before they shut it down half way down the street. Never had a problem and very fast speeds, but our WIFI and FTTN venues, have nothing but trouble and according to the techs, all the problems comes from the node and wifi towers.
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Re: NBN Revisited

Postby HBS Guy » 09 Oct 2018, 14:11

I have heard various theories, most involving FoxTel.

Too late to worry about that now, that boat has sailed. Now is the time to work out ways to undo the damage. My dog knows the FTTN has to be ripped up, that is not the problem. The problem is to get the public onside to spending another $40Bn-odd with gross debt at $500Bn+.

The way to do that: roll out as much fibre as possible and at this late stage that is the Area Change/Fibre on Demand programs. Another way—areas with piss poor service that has not been fixed—roll out FTTH. Fixed Wireless is connected back to the internet by microwave which is grossly incapable of providing fast internet.

The more fibre is rolled out the more other people want it. No wonder turdfull’s cronies made sure not an inch of fibre was rolled out by them.
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Re: NBN Revisited

Postby johnsmith » 09 Oct 2018, 14:20

HBS Guy wrote:I have heard various theories, most involving FoxTel.


It was said that abbott was photographed coming out of murdochs headquarters in Sydney the night before he announced his opposition to FTH onto the australian public. At that point the liberal caucus hadn't even been made aware that the libs were going to oppose FTH
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Postby HBS Guy » 09 Oct 2018, 19:30

We won’t get wifi6, or rather we won’t get the benefits from it due to a substandard NBN:

A leading telco expert has warned consumers that Australia is not ready for the next generation wi-fi 6 technology, which promises users 8K video streaming.

According to Dr Mark Gregory, electronic and telecommunications associate professor at RMIT University, Australia’s notoriously slow NBN is not up to scratch to deal with wi-fi 6.

“Wi-fi 6 is a big improvement but the reality is services such as Netflix and Amazon aren’t streaming in 4K or 8K now because of poor compression rates over the NBN,” Dr Gregory said.


https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/tech/2018/10/08/australia-not-ready-wifi6/

You might say that videos is no reason to spend so much money. But think of how the capabilities can help business where many workstations could be served by one wifi6 router, uses in education, face to face videoconferencing, ending the brutal isolation of the bush.
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Re: NBN Revisited

Postby johnsmith » 09 Oct 2018, 20:22

HBS Guy wrote:Wi-fi 6 is a big improvement but the reality is services such as Netflix and Amazon aren’t streaming in 4K or 8K now because of poor compression rates over the NBN,” Dr Gregory said.


that can't be right .... the naysayers were saying that we had no need for FTH speeds. Dickheads
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Re: NBN Revisited

Postby HBS Guy » 11 Oct 2018, 16:16

Now the turdfull cronies on the board and senior management at NBN Co find that Fibre to the Curb (aka FTTDp) is more complex than that thought. Where the copper to a customer’s premises was crap the bastards ran out. . .new copper :WTF Dumb bastards!


https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-co-says-fibre-to-the-curb-build-is-more-complex-that-it-hoped-513811?

Project Fox, the Melton, Vic rollout, showcased all sorts of new techniques to speed up and reduce the cost of running out fibre. Dickheads threw the lessons away.
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Re: NBN Revisited

Postby pinkeye » 12 Oct 2018, 04:58

well, frankly, the whole thing is a scam.

I may have mentioned I had 6 or 7 :roll different NBN contractors come to see what my issue was.
None of them had a clue what the previous contractors had decided.

It is a scam because 6-7 separate contractors got paid huge hourly rates, TO DO THE SAME THING all the others had.

What a beauty heh? One job.... 6-7 payments for the same job... so ? instead of ONE tech visit ... I got
6-7. It became so monotonously useless, I just shrugged.... someone things its a great business model obviously. :roll They BE RICH MON. :roll

Get 6 or 7 pay days for one job.
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