There is no question that if asked, all those that love a person would fight like hell to save them, should they be given the choice and would strongly condemn the notion of suicide ... that doesn't mean a person believes they have anything to offer aside from worry and burden.johnsmith wrote:mothra wrote:johnsmith wrote:pinkeye wrote:'coward's option'...? What do you mean by that. ?
Exactly what it says, it's the cowards option. For some, suicide is easier than dealing with life.
Suicide is far too complex to be written off as cowardice.
It is rarely committed through cowardice. More often than not, the people who do it are convinced their loved ones will be better off without them.
These are people in tremendous pain. Something is very wrong. It's too easy just to blame them for it.
then they are cowards for not asking their loved ones first.
johnsmith wrote:And yes I am aware that calling them cowards is simplistic and that there are many other factors at paly. But I feel that when you break it down, at it's most basic level, it is cowardice.
Be that because they are scared of the 'pain and suffering', scared of 'what's around the corner', scared to face life without 'the one that got away,' scared of facing the 'consequences of their actions' etc etc .... whatever has caused that fear, they took the cowards option and instead of facing it, they ended it.
A person who is clinically depressed feels acutely their impact on the people around them, commonly to the point of paranoia. They are the strongest critics of themselves. They judge themselves extremely harshly. They are aware of efforts to heal them and are inclined to guilt for failing to be healed.
Depression often brings guilt right along with it.
Many suicides truly believe they are sparing their loved ones. They see no worth in themselves and feel responsible for the worry and concern they generate. People often talk of feeling broken for not being able to respond positively to pleasurable stimuli of any kind. They feel their whole existence is a drain on those around them. That they bring the whole scene down.
And in all of this, i'm talking about just one form of suicide. There are many.
Did you know the most prolific demographic of male suicides? It's elderly men. They're not being cowards. They're simply deciding to check out because they consider that life isn't worth living anymore. Who are any of us to tell them that it is?
And then there are suicides that are really just the ultimate self harm. Intolerable pain abated by direct action. Usually these are people that have been tremendously hurt in their lives.
And those who live with constant suicide ideation. Fighting that takes the strength of an army.
None of these people are cowards. They are some of the strongest and bravest people around. I am constantly reminded of the human capacity for resilience from those very people that many write off as weak.
John, you were very sympathetic to mental illness as a factor some posts ago. I'm a little confused at how your empathy dries up on this point. You're quite wrong and your position is entirely unhelpful. All it succeeds isn doing is creating more negative grist for the mill.