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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby johnsmith » 23 Oct 2018, 09:23

dissilymordentroge wrote:Nobody can explain to me why the LIberals have turned against science.


The science goes against the wishes of their political donors. If you're a lib, money trumps everything else.
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby dissilymordentroge » 23 Oct 2018, 09:33

johnsmith wrote:
dissilymordentroge wrote:Nobody can explain to me why the LIberals have turned against science.


The science goes against the wishes of their political donors. If you're a lib, money trumps everything else.

Don’t know which donors you mean as surveys of big and medium businesses in Australia tell us they're very concerened about the implications of global warming and the uncertainty a lack of any clear policy direction which makes planning investment a nightmare. Maybe though you’re thinking of a certain Indian coal mining company or that beloved Australian, Gina Rinehart who happens to be a good friend of Tony Abbott?
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby johnsmith » 23 Oct 2018, 09:54

dissilymordentroge wrote:Don’t know which donors you mean as surveys of big and medium businesses in Australia tell us they're very concerened about the implications of global warming and the uncertainty a lack of any clear policy direction which makes planning investment a nightmare. Maybe though you’re thinking of a certain Indian coal mining company or that beloved Australian, Gina Rinehart who happens to be a good friend of Tony Abbott?


Coal miners. Gina is at the top of that list, as is Adani. Rio tino, BHP, Wesfarmers, Xrata and a myriad of others in the mining industry. See the links to donors in the article below although some are hard to follow because business names don't necessarily reflect the names of he owners of those businesses.

Of note also is that 'advertisements spruiking the benefits of coal and mining were the biggest political expenditure by third-party groups in Australia last year, dwarfing public contributions from unions and GetUp.'

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/feb/01/coal-lobby-ads-biggest-third-party-political-expenditure-in-australia
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby dissilymodentroge » 23 Oct 2018, 14:39

Don’t know if a link has appeard to this here already. Just in case it hasn’t :- https://reneweconomy.com.au/snowy-says- ... 3-40241125
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby johnsmith » 30 Oct 2018, 14:01

Billionaire industrialist Sanjeev Gupta throws down clean energy financing challenge to Government

Sanjeev Gupta, the British billionaire who rescued the Whyalla steelworks from administration, has called on the Federal Government to do more to make it easier for big companies to access finance to make grand investments in renewable energy.

Mr Gupta said he wanted a "fast track, easy package" that would help businesses fund rooftop solar.

The long-running uncertainty around national energy policy means many major firms have avoided long-term renewable projects like large-scale rooftop solar installations.

But the cost of generating solar energy has come down considerably in recent months.
Industrial market for rooftop solar expected to expand three-fold

For some companies, it is now cheaper to use solar power than electricity sourced from a coal-fired power station and several corporates — including Coca-Cola Amatil, Stockland and Woolworths — are pushing ahead with installing thousands of panels.

Paul Peters, the CEO of energy services company Verdia, said those companies were finding it too risky to do nothing amid rising power costs.

"The cost of doing nothing is more expensive," he said.

"If I do nothing, I'd rather actually invest and get some cost savings immediately to my bottom line."

Verdia is managing a rollout of 10,000 solar panels across the bottling operations of Coca-Cola Amatil.

"Corporates are saying, 'We can actually solve some of this, and are solving it with projects that we will do ourselves'," Mr Peters told RN Breakfast.

The industrial market for rooftop solar is expected to expand three-fold by next year as more businesses turn the roofs of their warehouses into solar power plants.
Gupta calls for better financing support, not subsidies

But many in the sector said businesses could only go so far in the adoption of renewables without a broader policy framework from the Federal Government.

Mr Gupta wants the Government to boost the fire power of the Clean Energy Finance Corporation, which is tasked with providing financial support for companies to go green.

He has been relying on his own capital from GFG Alliance, which has already been central to the industrial transformation underway around Port Augusta and Whyalla in South Australia.

The work includes 13 clean energy projects, some of which include solar storage.

But he said a lack of cheap, long-term capital was holding him back.

"One of the big constraints in really applying industry at a massive scale is access to capital — and access to long-term capital, and access to cheap capital," Mr Gupta said.

"Those attributes do not exist in the private market — especially in Australia."

Mr Gupta said the Government should re-evaluate how industries and consumers could be assisted to develop green energy — not with subsidies, but with better financing support.



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-30/sanjeev-gupta-throws-clean-energy-challenge-to-government/10445518


Why this government is still determined to try and stop the move to renewables is beyond me. They need to get on board and embrace renewables.
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby fisherman » 06 Nov 2018, 22:51

Why is it beyond you? They want people to be dependant on a Corporation, not independent. They want all people on a joined grid so they can easily shut you off if needed (if you do not behave like a very good boy). They also want to keep the flow of money and dependancy toward those Energetic Corps.
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Re: Renewable energy developments

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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby Sprintcyclist » 08 Nov 2018, 22:54

johnsmith wrote:this is a great move. Lancaster, a city of 170 000 totally running on solar

US city empowers Australian councils to develop solar as lack of federal climate policy causes concern

A city in southern California has become the first city in the world to be zero net energy with solar farms powering the entire city, and now it is inspiring Australian cities to follow its lead.

Being zero net energy means the city produces more solar electricity through solar farms than it can use.

Lancaster Mayor Rex Parris has attributed an increase in employment, new manufacturers moving to the city, and a reduction in crime to the approach to alternative energy.

This week, Mr Parris has been in Kiama on the NSW south coast at the Cities Power Partnership summit, speaking to local council representatives from around Australia about how they might be able to do something similar.

He said he had decided to take the lead on alternative energy for the safety and wellbeing of his constituents, and this continued to drive him forward.

"Climate disruption poses the greatest threat to the public, and the primary function of government is to protect the people," Mr Parris said.

"It's the greatest threat the world has ever seen."

Communities inspired to invest in alternative energy

Local councils have been inspired by Lancaster and its alternative energy approaches, with many council representatives saying the Federal Government's lack of climate change policy makes it even more imperative that they take the lead.

One council that has been particularly inspired is the Lismore council, which has established a community solar program.

Using investments from residents, the council has installed a number of community solar farms, including a floating solar farm and one on the roof of its leisure centre.

The council also has a 100 per cent renewable energy target by 2023 for all electricity generated and used by the council.

Lismore Deputy Mayor Elly Bird was at the climate summit in Kiama and said the Northern Rivers was leading the way when it came to renewable energy in Australia.

"Unfortunately at a federal level climate policy is a complete shambles," Cr Bird said.

"In the absence of any significant action at the federal level, Local Government can really play a leadership role in this space.

"We can work with our communities to provide renewable energy infrastructure we know they want."

Local governments have crucial role to play

Macquarie University academic and climate change researcher Lesley Hughes, a keynote speaker at the summit, agrees with council representatives that they must step up and fill the vacuum left by the Federal Government.

Professor Hughes said councils were the ones who bore the brunt of a changing climate.

"Whether it's building roads or telling people where they can put their houses, Local Government is where the adaption rubber really hits the road in terms of climate change," she said.

Professor Hughes said alternative energy community projects were crucial in generating interest among citizens about the impacts of climate change and what they could do to help the planet.

"What we are facing is a planetary catastrophe," she said. "People need to act now."


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-21/californian-city-powered-by-solar-inspires-aussie-councils/10401642



a few more Aussie cities should do the same.


yes, that is great news and we should be doing likewise
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby Sprintcyclist » 08 Nov 2018, 23:06

Bowerbird wrote:I enjotpyed the conversation, well the last page at least

I agree with those touting for more energy storage in the grid as it amakes no sense not to have backup. Microgrids are the wave of the future and particularly when you realise the vast infrastructure we have put in place linking so many rural towns to the main grids. If we can develop reliable microgrids to support those towns it would save money ultimately. To that end I do,wonder why we have not put more research into Vanadium redox batteries. The tech is Australian. They seem pretty robust and if weight and room is not an issue they should work well
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanadium_redox_battery



Yes, it has been done before successfully in Aust.
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby HBS Guy » 23 Nov 2018, 08:21

Labor’s plan for energy—must admit I have not read it or seen it, really. Some reactions:

David Crowe describes Shorten’s energy plan as the art of the possible.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/shorten-s-energy-plan-is-the-art-of-the-possible-20181122-p50hnz.html

The energy plan has divided experts.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/without-balance-and-sensible-labor-s-massive-energy-plan-divides-critics-20181122-p50hr3.html
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby Sprintcyclist » 23 Nov 2018, 08:44

HBS Guy wrote:Labor’s plan for energy—must admit I have not read it or seen it, really. Some reactions:

David Crowe describes Shorten’s energy plan as the art of the possible.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/shorten-s-energy-plan-is-the-art-of-the-possible-20181122-p50hnz.html

The energy plan has divided experts.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/without-balance-and-sensible-labor-s-massive-energy-plan-divides-critics-20181122-p50hr3.html



The Government should just give us free power.
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby HBS Guy » 23 Nov 2018, 15:39

And free petrol!
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby HBS Guy » 17 Jan 2019, 14:03

So much for beyootifool kleen koal!

One of Australia’s newest and most efficient “supercrticial” coal-fired power plants – CS Energy’s 750MW Kogan Creek Power Station on the Darling Downs in Queensland – tripped unexpectedly on the weekend, taking out 500MW of generation out of the mix for several hours on a hot Saturday afternoon.

Now, this is neither particularly unusual or even newsworthy – as Hugh Saddler has explained here, coal plants regularly “trip,” even the newest ones. And while inconvenient for the market operator, and not great for wholesale prices, this rarely leads to customers losing power.

It does, however, go to the point that coal power – regularly and vigorously championed by the federal Coalition as the only reliable source of “fair dinkum power” – is not necessarily all that reliable.

Particularly not in the heat


https://reneweconomy.com.au/another-big-coal-plant-trips-in-heat-but-rooftop-solar-remains-in-media-sights-83947/
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby HBS Guy » 13 Sep 2019, 05:29

Scotland generating twice the electricity it needs from wind—could power two Scotlands!

https://www.sciencealert.com/scotland-s-wind-turbines-are-now-generating-double-what-its-residents-need

Come on SA, some offshore wind would be great about now!
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby Bongalong » 13 Sep 2019, 16:03

Sprintcyclist wrote:
HBS Guy wrote:Labor’s plan for energy—must admit I have not read it or seen it, really. Some reactions:

David Crowe describes Shorten’s energy plan as the art of the possible.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/shorten-s-energy-plan-is-the-art-of-the-possible-20181122-p50hnz.html

The energy plan has divided experts.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/without-balance-and-sensible-labor-s-massive-energy-plan-divides-critics-20181122-p50hr3.html



The Government should just give us free power.

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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby Bongalong » 13 Sep 2019, 16:09

HBS Guy wrote:And free petrol!

More free cookies ? Image
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby Bongalong » 13 Sep 2019, 16:12

dissilymordentroge wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
dissilymordentroge wrote:Nobody can explain to me why the LIberals have turned against science.


The science goes against the wishes of their political donors. If you're a lib, money trumps everything else.

Don’t know which donors you mean as surveys of big and medium businesses in Australia tell us they're very concerened about the implications of global warming and the uncertainty a lack of any clear policy direction which makes planning investment a nightmare. Maybe though you’re thinking of a certain Indian coal mining company or that beloved Australian, Gina Rinehart who happens to be a good friend of Tony Abbott?

Surveys lie! We all went to university and found that out day one while eating chips sandwiches an drinking our first pint on campus!! WHERE WERE YOU?
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby Bongalong » 13 Sep 2019, 16:13

johnsmith wrote:
dissilymordentroge wrote:Nobody can explain to me why the LIberals have turned against science.


The science goes against the wishes of their political donors. If you're a lib, money trumps everything else.

SUCH PEOPLE ARE CALLED 'PLANET ACCOUNTANTS' :c
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby Chuck » 13 Sep 2019, 18:18

Billionaire industrialist Sanjeev Gupta throws down clean energy financing challenge to Government

The only thing stopping him making further progress is his greed. I’m sure he would be entitled for a loan from the private sector but he has a preferences to get assistance from taxpayers.

The legal business write-offs appears not to sate his appetite, but he has aspirations in gaining more with his Commercial Blackmailing on the taxpayers - normally referred as govt incentives.

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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby DonDeeHippy » 15 Sep 2019, 09:31

Chuck wrote:Billionaire industrialist Sanjeev Gupta throws down clean energy financing challenge to Government

The only thing stopping him making further progress is his greed. I’m sure he would be entitled for a loan from the private sector but he has a preferences to get assistance from taxpayers.

The legal business write-offs appears not to sate his appetite, but he has aspirations in gaining more with his Commercial Blackmailing on the taxpayers - normally referred as govt incentives.

Chuck

how is asking the government for cheaper loans for businesses to install their own renewable's a bad thing ? It's a win , win for business and the public.... :purple
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Re: Renewable energy developments

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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby HBS Guy » 11 Nov 2019, 21:01

In the US, a surprisingly optimistic report on RE:

New Estimates Predict a Lot More Renewable Power Growth in the U.S. Very Soon
Justin Mikulka | November 5, 2019

After revising its three-year U.S. power forecast, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) has predicted major declines for fossil fuels and nuclear power alongside strong growth in renewables by 2022, according to a review of the data by the SUN DAY Campaign, a pro-renewables research and education nonprofit.

“FERC's latest three-year projections continue to underscore the dramatic changes taking place in the nation's electrical generating mix,” noted Ken Bossong, executive director of the SUN DAY Campaign. “Renewable energy sources are rapidly displacing uneconomic and environmentally dangerous fossil fuels and nuclear power — even faster than FERC had anticipated just a half-year ago.”


https://www.desmogblog.com/2019/11/05/iea-ferc-predict-renewables-us-power-generation

But wait there is more! From sake Desmogblog article:
The International Energy Agency (IEA) has not been known for optimistic forecasts of renewables growth. In the past, IEA has been criticized by groups like the UK-based Environment and Climate Intelligence Unit for continuing to predict an oil and gas-dominated future, despite promising signs coming from wind and solar.

As DeSmogUK reported in April 2018, Dr. Jonathan Marshall, head of analysis at the nonprofit Environment and Climate Intelligence Unit, warned that the IEA’s lagging forecasts on renewables growth created “a growing risk that commercial decisions are not based on the facts on the ground.”

At this point, the cost of wind and solar combined with battery storage is cheaper than coal power, much cheaper than new nuclear power, and in many places also competitive with natural gas. In some areas, electric utilities are already moving from coal to renewables and skipping over the so-called “bridge fuel” of natural gas. The argument for a natural gas “bridge” to affordable renewable energy has been crumbling, and the economics of future power generation don't look good for this fossil fuel.
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Re: Renewable energy developments

Postby DonDeeHippy » 12 Nov 2019, 07:11

HBS Guy wrote:In the US, a surprisingly optimistic report on RE:

New Estimates Predict a Lot More Renewable Power Growth in the U.S. Very Soon
Justin Mikulka | November 5, 2019

After revising its three-year U.S. power forecast, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) has predicted major declines for fossil fuels and nuclear power alongside strong growth in renewables by 2022, according to a review of the data by the SUN DAY Campaign, a pro-renewables research and education nonprofit.

“FERC's latest three-year projections continue to underscore the dramatic changes taking place in the nation's electrical generating mix,” noted Ken Bossong, executive director of the SUN DAY Campaign. “Renewable energy sources are rapidly displacing uneconomic and environmentally dangerous fossil fuels and nuclear power — even faster than FERC had anticipated just a half-year ago.”


https://www.desmogblog.com/2019/11/05/iea-ferc-predict-renewables-us-power-generation

But wait there is more! From sake Desmogblog article:
The International Energy Agency (IEA) has not been known for optimistic forecasts of renewables growth. In the past, IEA has been criticized by groups like the UK-based Environment and Climate Intelligence Unit for continuing to predict an oil and gas-dominated future, despite promising signs coming from wind and solar.

As DeSmogUK reported in April 2018, Dr. Jonathan Marshall, head of analysis at the nonprofit Environment and Climate Intelligence Unit, warned that the IEA’s lagging forecasts on renewables growth created “a growing risk that commercial decisions are not based on the facts on the ground.”

At this point, the cost of wind and solar combined with battery storage is cheaper than coal power,much cheaper than new nuclear power, and in many places also competitive with natural gas. In some areas, electric utilities are already moving from coal to renewables and skipping over the so-called “bridge fuel” of natural gas. The argument for a natural gas “bridge” to affordable renewable energy has been crumbling, and the economics of future power generation don't look good for this fossil fuel.

Yup that's why i'm saying it's to late for Nuke, Renewable energy is getting better and cheaper and even Trump cant stop it.....
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