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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Cracky » 10 Nov 2018, 18:36

Aussie wrote:
Cracky wrote:You paint a frightening picture and I wish that I could disagree with you.

I have been shot at and had guns pointed at me a few times in my life: many times as a soldier at war, several times as a civilian in Khmer Rough territory, near Victoria Falls during the Rhodesian war, in Beirut during their mad civil war, once by nervous soldiers in Tanzania ................... and TWICE by fucking nutters in the U.S. who just thought it was fun!


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Delayed reaction >>> "weak in the knees", you mean? :bgrin Maybe. I stood firm and never pissed myself all of those years so, yeah maybe its' caught up with me now. :b
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby johnsmith » 10 Nov 2018, 22:08

Texan wrote:
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Texan wrote:The government and criminals still have guns.


The govt isn't a problem. You vote them out the next election if you don't like them. The criminals however are buying their guns on the free market. I'm not sure why there is so much resistance to try and limit that. Sure, you'll probably never remove 100% of illegal weapons. But if you removed 80% of them, you can see how some lives would be saved?

As for mexico, that's a whole different issue. Those drug cartels turn over more money than many western economies. The gun laws have little impact to the grand scheme of things. They need to break the cartels to bring down crime rates. Until they do, it is irrelevant what their gun laws are.

When the criminals are the only people to have guns besides the police, it makes all the difference. With a disarmed public, Americans are no better off than the Mexicans.

El Paso TX - 2017 murder rate of 1.7/100k 23 murders
Juarez Mexico - 2017 murder rate of 56.16/100k 819 murders

These 2 cities are separated only by a waist high river and a fence. Tenss of thousands of people go back and forth daily between the 2 cities. Why is Juarez a shithole and El Paso is not? Both places speak the same language (Spanish), listen to the same radio stations, and watch the same TV stations. The only difference I can see is that El Paso's police aren't corrupt and the cartels can't run around as easily because the people of Texas are allowed to fight back. It seems like every time Juarez gets a mayor who promises to crack down on cartel crime, they end up being slaughtered along with their families. I live in a very safe place and I intend to keep it safe.

I'm sure you could make the same comparisons with Laredo TX and Nuevo Laredo Mexico, Brownsville TX and Matamoros Mexico, etc.....

Why is Mexico a 3rd world country? Why are they not as safe as Texas? They are just a few feet away.


who said anything about disarming the public?
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Texan » 10 Nov 2018, 22:54

johnsmith wrote:
Texan wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Texan wrote:The government and criminals still have guns.


The govt isn't a problem. You vote them out the next election if you don't like them. The criminals however are buying their guns on the free market. I'm not sure why there is so much resistance to try and limit that. Sure, you'll probably never remove 100% of illegal weapons. But if you removed 80% of them, you can see how some lives would be saved?

As for mexico, that's a whole different issue. Those drug cartels turn over more money than many western economies. The gun laws have little impact to the grand scheme of things. They need to break the cartels to bring down crime rates. Until they do, it is irrelevant what their gun laws are.

When the criminals are the only people to have guns besides the police, it makes all the difference. With a disarmed public, Americans are no better off than the Mexicans.

El Paso TX - 2017 murder rate of 1.7/100k 23 murders
Juarez Mexico - 2017 murder rate of 56.16/100k 819 murders

These 2 cities are separated only by a waist high river and a fence. Tenss of thousands of people go back and forth daily between the 2 cities. Why is Juarez a shithole and El Paso is not? Both places speak the same language (Spanish), listen to the same radio stations, and watch the same TV stations. The only difference I can see is that El Paso's police aren't corrupt and the cartels can't run around as easily because the people of Texas are allowed to fight back. It seems like every time Juarez gets a mayor who promises to crack down on cartel crime, they end up being slaughtered along with their families. I live in a very safe place and I intend to keep it safe.

I'm sure you could make the same comparisons with Laredo TX and Nuevo Laredo Mexico, Brownsville TX and Matamoros Mexico, etc.....

Why is Mexico a 3rd world country? Why are they not as safe as Texas? They are just a few feet away.


who said anything about disarming the public?


The left works in increments here. You even have people here saying I shouldn’t have some of the guns I already have.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby pinkeye » 11 Nov 2018, 03:41

you mean guns designed for war? Rapid -fire automatic armaments.? Well … why would you want them, if this is the case.? You wanna machine-gun some deer..?
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Texan » 11 Nov 2018, 06:07

pinkeye wrote:you mean guns designed for war? Rapid -fire automatic armaments.? Well … why would you want them, if this is the case.? You wanna machine-gun some deer..?

The public doesn’t have fully automatic in any significant numbers. They are very heavily regulated and illegal to manufacture since 1986. The AR 15 “assault rifles “ are semi automatic only. Libs just want to ban them because they look scary. In 94, the banned them if they had pistol grips, flash suppressor, bayonet lug, etc.....
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Cracky » 11 Nov 2018, 06:33

pinkeye wrote:... You wanna machine-gun some deer..?

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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Dax » 11 Nov 2018, 09:19

SethBullock wrote:Killing kitty cats and bunnies ...

Don't talk about Americans then.

You Aussies also kill wild horses, ffs.

Barbarians ...


Thanks for reinforcing my post, yes rabbits and feral cats are piddling compared to shooting people and anything that moves. The majority of Aussies are against the killing of brumbies, they are wonderful beautiful horses, but are destroying parts of the mountains so need to be cut down to size. Like most others, in my opinion the way to do that is to capture, train and use them, not shoot them from helicopters to slowly die.

The use if Mexico as a justification for having an open gun policy, is ridiculous. Mexico is just another fervent god nutter country, so be definition is a basket case of never ending violence. No different to the USA and all other god nutter controlled countries, find one which is not in a state of never ending violence.

As for claim you can't buy fully automatic weapons in the USA, is a lie, go to any gun show and you can buy anything you like. I watched them at gun ranges using fully auto weapons, got invited to a supposed party in Wisconsin and for fun, they shot up a couple of old cars with a 50cal machine gun and used tracers. The yanks were drooling over having a go and yelling loudly, when asked if I wanted to shoot it, declined and we left. No fun in that noise and insanity.

In Aus, we have a growing problem with violence and the majority of that can be put down to crazed god nutters, who have taken over bikie gangs and feel they have the right to kill all those who oppose them. No different to the USA and all god nutter controlled countries. At least In Aus,m having restricted access to guns, means these nutters have to use other means and we see that happening more and more.

Buy the way yanks, with all your claims, you are yet to win a war since WW2 and have failed with every attempt to change governments of other countries for the supposed better. They are all basket cases of violence, which is another example of the reality of USA life and direction, stuffed.

The answer to the question does gun control really work, for guns, yes. For ideological violence, no and nothing will stop it. World societies are doomed.It's the end of the ideological era in human evolution and if any humans survive beyond 2030, the new era will be one without god/s or other insane fantasy and beliefs. If you live in a city, you're first cab off the rank for violence and collapse, enjoy the ride back to the past where most of us humans belong.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby SethBullock » 11 Nov 2018, 13:15

johnsmith wrote:
who said anything about disarming the public?


In our country, there are a lot of left wingers who would disarm everyone but the police and military if they could. It's not possible politically at this time. But that's their goal.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby SethBullock » 11 Nov 2018, 13:22

Dax wrote:
SethBullock wrote:Killing kitty cats and bunnies ...

Don't talk about Americans then.

You Aussies also kill wild horses, ffs.

Barbarians ...


Thanks for reinforcing my post, yes rabbits and feral cats are piddling compared to shooting people and anything that moves. The majority of Aussies are against the killing of brumbies, they are wonderful beautiful horses, but are destroying parts of the mountains so need to be cut down to size. Like most others, in my opinion the way to do that is to capture, train and use them, not shoot them from helicopters to slowly die.

The use if Mexico as a justification for having an open gun policy, is ridiculous. Mexico is just another fervent god nutter country, so be definition is a basket case of never ending violence. No different to the USA and all other god nutter controlled countries, find one which is not in a state of never ending violence.

As for claim you can't buy fully automatic weapons in the USA, is a lie, go to any gun show and you can buy anything you like. I watched them at gun ranges using fully auto weapons, got invited to a supposed party in Wisconsin and for fun, they shot up a couple of old cars with a 50cal machine gun and used tracers. The yanks were drooling over having a go and yelling loudly, when asked if I wanted to shoot it, declined and we left. No fun in that noise and insanity.

In Aus, we have a growing problem with violence and the majority of that can be put down to crazed god nutters, who have taken over bikie gangs and feel they have the right to kill all those who oppose them. No different to the USA and all god nutter controlled countries. At least In Aus,m having restricted access to guns, means these nutters have to use other means and we see that happening more and more.

Buy the way yanks, with all your claims, you are yet to win a war since WW2 and have failed with every attempt to change governments of other countries for the supposed better. They are all basket cases of violence, which is another example of the reality of USA life and direction, stuffed.

The answer to the question does gun control really work, for guns, yes. For ideological violence, no and nothing will stop it. World societies are doomed.It's the end of the ideological era in human evolution and if any humans survive beyond 2030, the new era will be one without god/s or other insane fantasy and beliefs. If you live in a city, you're first cab off the rank for violence and collapse, enjoy the ride back to the past where most of us humans belong.


You may call us names if you wish, but we round up excess wild horses to keep the herds healthy and put them up for adoption. So who's the nutters?

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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Aussie » 11 Nov 2018, 14:21

I reckon its a fair bet that if those wild horses which are culled could be commercialised, they would have been. That idiot in the photo is just that....a retard. What a tosser!
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Cracky » 11 Nov 2018, 14:40

Aussie wrote:I reckon its a fair bet that if those wild horses which are culled could be commercialised, they would have been. That idiot in the photo is just that....a retard. What a tosser!

Yes, and it must be a quantum stretch to say it's "to keep the herds healthy".
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby SethBullock » 11 Nov 2018, 15:04

Cracky wrote:
Aussie wrote:I reckon its a fair bet that if those wild horses which are culled could be commercialised, they would have been. That idiot in the photo is just that....a retard. What a tosser!

Yes, and it must be a quantum stretch to say it's "to keep the herds healthy".


No, it isn't. It prevents overgrazing within their range. Overgrazing can lead to starvation, and that outcome is avoided by the round-ups.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Auggie » 11 Nov 2018, 16:33

The absurdity of gun control opponents in believing that an armed populace would be able to fight against the armed forces of the state and win.

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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby johnsmith » 11 Nov 2018, 17:03

Auggie wrote:The absurdity of gun control opponents in believing that an armed populace would be able to fight against the armed forces of the state and win.


I guess if Trump was my president i'd want to keep my guns too. :jump

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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

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johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:The absurdity of gun control opponents in believing that an armed populace would be able to fight against the armed forces of the state and win.


I guess if Trump was my president i'd want to keep my guns too. :jump

:giggle


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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Cracky » 11 Nov 2018, 18:34

johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:The absurdity of gun control opponents in believing that an armed populace would be able to fight against the armed forces of the state and win.


I guess if Trump was my president i'd want to keep my guns too. :jump

:giggle

I'm sure that you are joking but there are those who self-hypnotize themselves into believing that everything was fine until the Don arrived.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Auggie » 11 Nov 2018, 18:35

Cracky wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:The absurdity of gun control opponents in believing that an armed populace would be able to fight against the armed forces of the state and win.


I guess if Trump was my president i'd want to keep my guns too. :jump

:giggle

I'm sure that you are joking but there are those who self-hypnotize themselves into believing that everything was fine until the Don arrived.


Are you talking about slavery and Jim Crow as well?
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Cracky » 11 Nov 2018, 18:37

Auggie wrote:The absurdity of gun control opponents in believing that an armed populace would be able to fight against the armed forces of the state and win.

"Watcha gonna do now, Leander, the Feds have got the atom bomb?"

Doesn't the second amendment ensure that every man, woman, and child has the right to atom bombs? I am sure I saw that provision in the text.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Cracky » 11 Nov 2018, 18:40

Auggie wrote:
Cracky wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:The absurdity of gun control opponents in believing that an armed populace would be able to fight against the armed forces of the state and win.


I guess if Trump was my president i'd want to keep my guns too. :jump

:giggle

I'm sure that you are joking but there are those who self-hypnotize themselves into believing that everything was fine until the Don arrived.


Are you talking about slavery and Jim Crow as well?

You'll have to ask them.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby johnsmith » 11 Nov 2018, 18:41

Cracky wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:The absurdity of gun control opponents in believing that an armed populace would be able to fight against the armed forces of the state and win.


I guess if Trump was my president i'd want to keep my guns too. :jump

:giggle

I'm sure that you are joking but there are those who self-hypnotize themselves into believing that everything was fine until the Don arrived.


It was fine for me, I'm not in the USA :bgrin
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Auggie » 11 Nov 2018, 18:45

Cracky wrote:
Auggie wrote:
Cracky wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:The absurdity of gun control opponents in believing that an armed populace would be able to fight against the armed forces of the state and win.


I guess if Trump was my president i'd want to keep my guns too. :jump

:giggle

I'm sure that you are joking but there are those who self-hypnotize themselves into believing that everything was fine until the Don arrived.


Are you talking about slavery and Jim Crow as well?

You'll have to ask them.


Ask whom?
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Cracky » 11 Nov 2018, 18:47

johnsmith wrote:
Cracky wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:The absurdity of gun control opponents in believing that an armed populace would be able to fight against the armed forces of the state and win.


I guess if Trump was my president i'd want to keep my guns too. :jump

:giggle

I'm sure that you are joking but there are those who self-hypnotize themselves into believing that everything was fine until the Don arrived.


It was fine for me, I'm not in the USA :bgrin

Was it? I do seem to recall seeing a few slouch hats in Vietnam and in Irak.
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Re: Does GUN control REALLY works?

Postby Cracky » 11 Nov 2018, 18:48

Auggie wrote:
Cracky wrote:
Auggie wrote:
Cracky wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:The absurdity of gun control opponents in believing that an armed populace would be able to fight against the armed forces of the state and win.


I guess if Trump was my president i'd want to keep my guns too. :jump

:giggle

I'm sure that you are joking but there are those who self-hypnotize themselves into believing that everything was fine until the Don arrived.


Are you talking about slavery and Jim Crow as well?

You'll have to ask them.


Ask whom?

To whom is your initial question posted?
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