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Man killed by Bourke St attacker identified

Postby Auggie » 10 Nov 2018, 11:29

Police raid homes as man killed by Bourke St attacker identified
By Joe Hinchliffe, Melissa Cunningham & Matilda Boseley
10 November 2018 — 9:20am

Man shot during Bourke St incident

The man killed in Friday’s Melbourne terror attack has been identified as a co owner of iconic Melbourne restaurant, Pellegrini’s Espresso Bar.

Sisto Malaspina was the man fatally stabbed by Hassan Khalif Shire Ali on Bourke Street. The cafe has closed and chaplains are comforting staff and patrons.
Pellegrinis cofounder Sisto Malaspina died in Friday's Bourke Street attack.

Pellegrinis cofounder Sisto Malaspina died in Friday's Bourke Street attack. Credit:James Boddington

The news comes as police execute search warrants at homes connected to Shire Ali in Melbourne's west and north-west.
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And an imam and friend of Shire Ali's family has told The Age that the 30-year-old had complained of being chased by "unseen people with spears" in recent weeks, and said they had been worried about him for some time.

Shire Ali who lived in Melbourne's north-west and was originally from Somalia, was shot by police and later died at Royal Melbourne Hospital on an operating table.
Police confront the Bourke Street attacker.

Police confront the Bourke Street attacker.

Shire Ali had driven a ute into Bourke Street near the Target store between Russell and Swanston streets, set it alight and began stabbing members of the public in what police described as a terror attack.

One man, believed to be aged in his 60s, was killed and a 26-year-old and 58-year-old taken to hospital with injuries.

Shire Ali then attacked police and tried to stab them before he was shot in the chest.
Shire Ali lunges at police during the attack.

Shire Ali lunges at police during the attack.

On Saturday morning, the Joint Counter Terrorism Team began executing search warrants on two homes in Werribee and Meadow Heights.
Parents' home raided

Neighbours say they woke in the early hours of Saturday morning to dozens of police swarming the Werribee home of Shire Ali’s parents.

“I could see flashing lights from my bedroom window and then I heard police yelling into a megaphone and I got out of bed and saw police storming into the house,” one resident said.

The woman, who has lived in the street for more than a decade and spoke on the condition of anonymity, said she believed the parents and Shire Ali’s sister lived in the house.nn

Shire Ali and other family members would often visit, she said.

The small brick house was under heavy police guard and had been cordoned off with police tape.

It’s believed family members of Shire Ali were being interviewed by police inside the house.
Police stand guard during a house raid in Werribee on Saturday following the Bourke Street attack.

Police stand guard during a house raid in Werribee on Saturday following the Bourke Street attack.Credit:Luis Ascui

“There was always cars coming and going,” she said.

Police confirmed on Saturday that Shire Ali was the brother of a man arrested in relation to committing acts in preparation for a terrorist attack. Shire Ali was also known to ASIO.

“I’ve seen both the brothers visiting their parents over the years," the neighbour said. "They were always very smartly dressed and seemed to be polite and educated people. I’d often see the father and would wave to him across the street but they mostly kept to themselves.”

Forensic police wearing face masks took photographs as they searched through three cars parked in the drive way of the house.

Other heavily armed specialist police officers were scouring the outside of the house and front garden.

“It’s actually scared me a lot to think that two members of the family were involved in terrorism,” the resident said.

“The parents always came across as respectable people and when the first son was caught up in terrorism it came as a real shock … but what happened in Bourke Street yesterday has really brought it home for me.”

Another resident, Patricia Rouse, said the house which sits in a quiet residential street in Werribee has been raided numerous times over the years.

“They just seemed like an ordinary family, quiet until all this started happening," she said.
Bourke Street opens

Bourke Street was reopened to the public about 4am on Saturday. It was in lockdown after the attack because unexploded barbecue gas canisters had been found in the burning ute.
Police talk to a passerby in Bourke Street on Saturday.

Police talk to a passerby in Bourke Street on Saturday.Credit:Luis Ascui

The horrific scenes were witnessed by hundreds of people in the crowded CBD street.

At a press conference on Saturday morning, Chief Commissioner Graham Ashton said the scene of the attack was re-opened to the public about 7am, but police would maintain a visible presence.

Events across Melbourne, including Stakes Day race meeting and a soccer game at Marvel Stadium, would see a higher level of security, but there was no known threat.

“We don’t have any specific information in relation to threats to those events,” he said.

Two men injured in the attack had undergone surgery for lacerations, and their conditions were stable, he said.

Mr Ashton said investigations were ongoing. Thirty-five witnesses had given statements, and he asked that anyone with footage to send that to Crime Stoppers.

Police are still searching two homes, one in Werribee and the other in Meadow Heights. AFP acting deputy commissioner for national security Ian McCartney said Shire Ali had his passport cancelled in 2015 when ASIO received information he was planning to travel to Syria.

While he had radicalised views, Mr McCartney said, they did not believe he then posed a serious threat.

How and when that threat increased, Mr McCartney said, was the focus of investigation.
Victims in hospital

Prominent Launceston businessman, Rod Patterson, 58, was one of two victims in taken to hospital. He suffered head injuries and underwent surgery. He is recovering at The Alfred hospital.
Rod Patterson who was injured during the Bourke Street terror attack.

Rod Patterson who was injured during the Bourke Street terror attack.Credit:Facebook

The other victim, a 26 year-old man, suffered neck injuries and was in a stable condition at Royal Melbourne Hospital on Saturday morning.

Mr Patterson's wife, Maree, posted a message on social media thanking everyone for their wishes.

"So unfortunately we got caught up in the attack in Bourke Street this afternoon and Rodney was hurt – good news is he is in a great hospital and doing OK given the circumstances," she wrote.

Mr Patterson, a former Autobarn franchisee and president of the South Launceston Football Club, owns an apartment in Melbourne.
'Evil and terrifying'

Premier Daniel Andrews on Friday night condemned the attack.

"This is an evil and terrifying thing that has happened in our city," he said.

He thanked police and praised the efforts of the civilians who had tried to help them.
Premier Daniel Andrews with Police Commissioner Graham Ashton.

Premier Daniel Andrews with Police Commissioner Graham Ashton. Credit:Joe Armao

"Those strangers, people who were bystanders, who knew nobody involved, who stepped in without a moment's hesitation to render support and assistance ... make all of us proud as well," Mr Andrews said.

Meanwhile, Opposition Leader Matthew Guy said there should be no "moral squeamishness" when it came to dealing with extremism.

"There should be not moral squeamishness, we need to eradicate this kind of behaviour, because enough is enough," Mr Guy said.
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It is understood the Andrews government’s counter terrorism subcommittee of cabinet will meet at 9am.

The Premier has also suspended all election campaigning until at least Sunday afternoon.
How it happened

The attacker stopped his dual-cab ute on Bourke Street before setting it alight about 4.30pm.

He then started attacking people with a knife, stabbing at least three people.
A man with a trolley tries to help police.

A man with a trolley tries to help police.

Witnesses told The Age they were shopping in the area when they saw a man throw what they believed to be a bomb into a car before it exploded.

They had initially thought the man was running to catch a tram close by, before a nearby police car rushed to the scene.

They heard screams and cries from the crowd before they were rushed from the area.
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Trolley Man and the strangers who tried to help

One bystander tried to push a trolley into the attacker. That man was pushed over onto the street, but got up and tried again with the trolley to stop the attack. Another man tried to ward him off with a traffic cone, a third was seen with a cafe chair.

Transit officers were the first to respond, with one officer using a tree to protect himself from the attacker as he lunged at them with the knife.

Police then shot the lone terrorist in the chest and arrested him before he was taken to hospital.
Shire Ali being arrested by police after being shot.

Shire Ali being arrested by police after being shot.

By 5.20pm, the body of one of the victims was lying under a white sheet on Bourke Street surrounded by police tape, near the entrance to Russell Place. There were large spots of what appeared to be blood near the body, as well as a pair of men's black lace-up shoes.

About 6pm, police confirmed the victim had died.

Fire crews later found a number of barbecue-style gas cylinders in the ute.
'Thoughts and prayers'

A spokesman for Victoria's Somali community said there was no place for terrorism or extremism in society.

"Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their family and those injured by [Friday's] tragic events," a statement read.

"We condemn this tragic event in the strongest terms."

He said Somali Australians were peaceful people and described terrorism as a "disease and scourge on society".

"Today is about Australians coming together to stand against acts of terrorism."

The statement thanked law enforcement agencies and bystanders for coming to the aid of strangers.
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Re: Man killed by Bourke St attacker identified

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a tragic loss
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Re: Man killed by Bourke St attacker identified

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johnsmith wrote:a tragic loss


I blame Islam.
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Re: Man killed by Bourke St attacker identified

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Auggie wrote:
johnsmith wrote:a tragic loss


I blame Islam.



of course you do.
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Re: Man killed by Bourke St attacker identified

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johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:
johnsmith wrote:a tragic loss


I blame Islam.



of course you do.


I know that any attempt to persuade you would be folly, but I'm going to try anyway.

Do you agree that Islam is unique in the sense that it is not only a religion but also a political ideology?
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Re: Man killed by Bourke St attacker identified

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Auggie wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:
johnsmith wrote:a tragic loss


I blame Islam.



of course you do.


I know that any attempt to persuade you would be folly, but I'm going to try anyway.

Do you agree that Islam is unique in the sense that it is not only a religion but also a political ideology?


I know that many certainly try to use it for political gain.
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Re: Man killed by Bourke St attacker identified

Postby Auggie » 11 Nov 2018, 17:38

johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:
johnsmith wrote:a tragic loss


I blame Islam.



of course you do.


I know that any attempt to persuade you would be folly, but I'm going to try anyway.

Do you agree that Islam is unique in the sense that it is not only a religion but also a political ideology?


I know that many certainly try to use it for political gain.


That's not what I asked. What I asked is whether or not, as a religion and thus as being a set of objective truths, that Islam is not only a religion but also a political ideology?
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Re: Man killed by Bourke St attacker identified

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Auggie wrote:That's not what I asked. What I asked is whether or not, as a religion and thus as being a set of objective truths, that Islam is not only a religion but also a political ideology?


No, that wasn't what you asked. You asked me if I was aware that it was unique in the sense that it is not only a religion but also a political ideology.

I haven't the slightest clue about a multitude of religions to be able to answer that honestly
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Re: Man killed by Bourke St attacker identified

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johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:That's not what I asked. What I asked is whether or not, as a religion and thus as being a set of objective truths, that Islam is not only a religion but also a political ideology?


No, that wasn't what you asked. You asked me if I was aware that it was unique in the sense that it is not only a religion but also a political ideology.

I haven't the slightest clue about a multitude of religions to be able to answer that honestly


Therefore, if you 'haven't the slightest clue about a multitude of religions' then how can you defend the religion of Islam?
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Re: Man killed by Bourke St attacker identified

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This is a stupid line of reasoning. All religions have been and often are used as political tools.

Nothing new there.
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Re: Man killed by Bourke St attacker identified

Postby Auggie » 11 Nov 2018, 17:46

mothra wrote:This is a stupid line of reasoning. All religions have been and often are used as political tools.

Nothing new there.


That's not the question. The question is whether or not a religion is also inherently (in of itself) a political ideology. I would argue that Christianity is not a political ideology.

That people use it as a political tool is a separate issue to the intrinsic nature of a religion or ideology.
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Auggie wrote:Therefore, if you 'haven't the slightest clue about a multitude of religions' then how can you defend the religion of Islam?


So because I don't have clue about 'Taoism' or 'Jainism' or even 'Bahai', I can't defend Islamic people? :WTF :WTF :WTF

(I don't defend Islam, religions, all religions, are a pox on society).
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Auggie wrote:I would argue that Christianity is not a political ideology.


And yet the Catholic church is one of the few religions with it's own State :roll
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Re: Man killed by Bourke St attacker identified

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johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:Therefore, if you 'haven't the slightest clue about a multitude of religions' then how can you defend the religion of Islam?


So because I don't have clue about 'Taoism' or 'Jainism' or even 'Bahai', I can't defend Islamic people? :WTF :WTF :WTF

(I don't defend Islam, religions, all religions, are a pox on society).


Defending Muslims and defending Islam are two separate things. One can defend Muslims whilst also not defending Islam.
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johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:I would argue that Christianity is not a political ideology.


And yet the Catholic church is one of the few religions with it's own State :roll


A religious institution that has political power is not indicative that a religion is intrinsically a political ideology.
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Auggie wrote:
mothra wrote:This is a stupid line of reasoning. All religions have been and often are used as political tools.

Nothing new there.


That's not the question. The question is whether or not a religion is also inherently (in of itself) a political ideology. I would argue that Christianity is not a political ideology.

That people use it as a political tool is a separate issue to the intrinsic nature of a religion or ideology.


All of the desert religions find their roots in politics.

Islam is not exceptional, nor is politics a concern for the overwhelming majority of it's followers.
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Re: Man killed by Bourke St attacker identified

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mothra wrote:
Auggie wrote:
mothra wrote:This is a stupid line of reasoning. All religions have been and often are used as political tools.

Nothing new there.


That's not the question. The question is whether or not a religion is also inherently (in of itself) a political ideology. I would argue that Christianity is not a political ideology.

That people use it as a political tool is a separate issue to the intrinsic nature of a religion or ideology.


All of the desert religions find their roots in politics.

Islam is not exceptional, nor is politics a concern for the overwhelming majority of it's followers.


Christianity is not intrinsically a political ideology. Jesus said: "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and render unto God what is God's".

Edit: Islam is exceptional precisely because of it's totalist nature.
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Auggie wrote:
mothra wrote:
Auggie wrote:
mothra wrote:This is a stupid line of reasoning. All religions have been and often are used as political tools.

Nothing new there.


That's not the question. The question is whether or not a religion is also inherently (in of itself) a political ideology. I would argue that Christianity is not a political ideology.

That people use it as a political tool is a separate issue to the intrinsic nature of a religion or ideology.


All of the desert religions find their roots in politics.

Islam is not exceptional, nor is politics a concern for the overwhelming majority of it's followers.


Christianity is not intrinsically a political ideology. Jesus said: "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and render unto God what is God's".


Do you actually think these comments through in your head before you type them?

How on god's green earth is JC not political?
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mothra wrote:
Auggie wrote:
mothra wrote:
Auggie wrote:
mothra wrote:This is a stupid line of reasoning. All religions have been and often are used as political tools.

Nothing new there.


That's not the question. The question is whether or not a religion is also inherently (in of itself) a political ideology. I would argue that Christianity is not a political ideology.

That people use it as a political tool is a separate issue to the intrinsic nature of a religion or ideology.


All of the desert religions find their roots in politics.

Islam is not exceptional, nor is politics a concern for the overwhelming majority of it's followers.


Christianity is not intrinsically a political ideology. Jesus said: "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and render unto God what is God's".


Do you actually think these comments through in your head before you type them?

How on god's green earth is JC not political?


In what way was Jesus political?
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Auggie wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:I would argue that Christianity is not a political ideology.


And yet the Catholic church is one of the few religions with it's own State :roll


A religious institution that has political power is not indicative that a religion is intrinsically a political ideology.


You ever hear of the crusades? What about the Spanish Inquisition?
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Re: Man killed by Bourke St attacker identified

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johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:I would argue that Christianity is not a political ideology.


And yet the Catholic church is one of the few religions with it's own State :roll


A religious institution that has political power is not indicative that a religion is intrinsically a political ideology.


You ever hear of the crusades? What about the Spanish Inquisition?


Were the Crusaders and/or Spanish conquistadors following the example of Christ?
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Auggie wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:I would argue that Christianity is not a political ideology.


And yet the Catholic church is one of the few religions with it's own State :roll


A religious institution that has political power is not indicative that a religion is intrinsically a political ideology.


You ever hear of the crusades? What about the Spanish Inquisition?


Were the Crusaders and/or Spanish conquistadors following the example of Christ?


they believed were following Christs doctrine.
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Re: Man killed by Bourke St attacker identified

Postby Aussie » 11 Nov 2018, 17:59

Auggie wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:I would argue that Christianity is not a political ideology.


And yet the Catholic church is one of the few religions with it's own State :roll


A religious institution that has political power is not indicative that a religion is intrinsically a political ideology.


You ever hear of the crusades? What about the Spanish Inquisition?


Were the Crusaders and/or Spanish conquistadors following the example of Christ?


No, but in the case of the Crusades at least, it happened because Christ on Earth, some dick-head Pope, asked that they happen.
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Re: Man killed by Bourke St attacker identified

Postby Auggie » 11 Nov 2018, 18:00

johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:I would argue that Christianity is not a political ideology.


And yet the Catholic church is one of the few religions with it's own State :roll


A religious institution that has political power is not indicative that a religion is intrinsically a political ideology.


You ever hear of the crusades? What about the Spanish Inquisition?


Were the Crusaders and/or Spanish conquistadors following the example of Christ?


they believed were following Christs doctrine.


I'm not talking about what people BELIEVE. I'm talking about whether or not, objectively, they were following the example of the Christ. Objectively, they were not.
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Re: Man killed by Bourke St attacker identified

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Aussie wrote:
Auggie wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:
johnsmith wrote:
Auggie wrote:I would argue that Christianity is not a political ideology.


And yet the Catholic church is one of the few religions with it's own State :roll


A religious institution that has political power is not indicative that a religion is intrinsically a political ideology.


You ever hear of the crusades? What about the Spanish Inquisition?


Were the Crusaders and/or Spanish conquistadors following the example of Christ?


No, but in the case of the Crusades at least, it happened because Christ on Earth, some dick-head Pope, asked that they happen.


But, does that mean that they were following the example of Jesus Christ as we judge his behaviour objectively, in spite of personal or subject belief.
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