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Postby johnsmith » 09 Dec 2018, 09:54

Plan to outsource Australia's visa processing would be dumped under Shorten Labor government

Plans to offload Australia's visa processing system to the private sector, potentially worth more than $3 billion to the winning company, would be dumped under a Shorten Labor government.

The Home Affairs Department last week moved closer to outsourcing its visa processing work by opening a tender process.

A friend of the Prime Minister, Liberal Party heavyweight Scott Briggs, is playing a key role in one of the groups shortlisted for the lucrative deal.

The successful bidder is due to sign contracts in October 2019, but the process would be terminated if the Opposition claimed power at next year's election.

"We're concerned that by outsourcing one of the most vital functions of the Australian border control system to a private company that it risks our borders," Labor's immigration spokesman Shayne Neumann told the ABC.

"This is a core responsibility of government, it shouldn't be done for private profit, it should be done in the national interest."

The successful company would be handed a 10-year contract and allowed to slug applicants up to $35 per visa on average, potentially reaping upwards of $3 billion over the period.

Citizenship applications could also eventually be processed using the new multi-million-dollar platform, which would be funded by the winning bidder.

Mr Briggs runs investment firm Pacific Blue Capital, which holds nearly 20 per cent of the Australian Visa Processing Consortium — one of two groups remaining in the race.

Mr Briggs is president of Prime Minister Scott Morrison's Federal Electorate Council and previously worked with Immigration Minister David Coleman.

Both Mr Morrison and Mr Coleman will not vote in Cabinet decisions about the project.

The ABC is not suggesting any wrongdoing nor any political interference in the tender process.

The department will also consider a joint bid from Australia Post and professional services firm Accenture.
Number of applications expected to rise

Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton yesterday told reporters the Government would remain responsible for security checks and decision-making.

"What we want to do is make it easier and more efficient for people to apply for visas online," Mr Dutton said.

He said the project was aiming to speed up processing times "whilst not compromising … the visa processing and scrutiny that we apply to these people before they come to our country".

Longer visa processing times have contributed to bridging visas — used so people can remain in Australia while an application is processed — doubling over four years to nearly 200,000.

Nine million applications for temporary visas were lodged last financial year, including tourist and student visas.

Applications are expected to rise over coming years, according to the department, meaning the winning bidder's revenue could jump to more than $400 million a year by 2028-29.

The Commonwealth currently earns about $2 billion each year from visa fees, and these government charges would continue.
Union says thousands could be made redundant

The Community and Public Sector Union has estimated that up to 3,000 public servants could be made redundant.

The Home Affairs Department last night rejected that figure but would not guarantee that jobs were not under threat.

"We want the Government to be listening to the voices of experienced, highly trained public servants [who are] sensitive to public policy issues and accountable ultimately to the Australian Government and the Australian people," Mr Neumann said.

"And we're not going to put at risk the privacy of individuals [by] giving personal data to private providers," he said.

The election is likely to be held in May 2019.

Home Affairs said the new system would begin operating in 2021.



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-09/labor-government-would-dump-plan-to-outsource-visa-processing/10597606



How did this slip under the radar? I wasn't even aware that there were plans to outsource visa processing. What a fucking stupid idea. Did whoever came up with that brain snap didn't for a minute consider that it might lead to corruption? You think if ACME Pty Ltd can sell a visa for $1m they won't take the opportunity? or the profit?

I'm glad labor is going to axe this stupid idea before it even kicks off.
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Re: they can't be serious?

Postby Aussie » 09 Dec 2018, 12:03

Well....this is nothing new. The Government presently outsources (through AGSVA) the granting (or not) of security clearances to applicants working in relevant sensitive industries and departments.
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Re: they can't be serious?

Postby johnsmith » 09 Dec 2018, 18:34

Aussie wrote:Well....this is nothing new. The Government presently outsources (through AGSVA) the granting (or not) of security clearances to applicants working in relevant sensitive industries and departments.



yes, I did a 'national police check' on Friday. All online, including submitting my proof of id online (cause there's no potential for fraud there, it's not like every second man and his dog doesn't know how to use Photoshop :roll :roll :roll ) and it was all done by an independent company.
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Re: they can't be serious?

Postby mantra » 09 Dec 2018, 21:09

Longer visa processing times have contributed to bridging visas — used so people can remain in Australia while an application is processed — doubling over four years to nearly 200,000.

Nine million applications for temporary visas were lodged last financial year, including tourist and student visas.


Obviously if they can't manage the current homeland budget - outsourcing is all that's left for this incompetent government. That will be a rort and far more costly than an overspend in the budget. I'm shocked that our borders will be left seriously short staffed over the next few months. Every drug exporter/importer will use this to their advantage - not to mention people smugglers and illegal immigrants.

We need to go to an early election.
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Re: they can't be serious?

Postby johnsmith » 09 Dec 2018, 21:20

mantra wrote:
Longer visa processing times have contributed to bridging visas — used so people can remain in Australia while an application is processed — doubling over four years to nearly 200,000.

Nine million applications for temporary visas were lodged last financial year, including tourist and student visas.


Obviously if they can't manage the current homeland budget - outsourcing is all that's left for this incompetent government. That will be a rort and far more costly than an overspend in the budget. I'm shocked that our borders will be left seriously short staffed over the next few months. Every drug exporter/importer will use this to their advantage - not to mention people smugglers and illegal immigrants.

We need to go to an early election.



Welcome Mantra, good to see you posting here.

In all that crap of excuses from the liberal party, did they mention how many staff they cut from border patrol / customs / Dept. of immigration during the last 5 years? Wasn't the whole point of combining customs and immigration into border force supposed to make things faster and more efficient?
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Re: they can't be serious?

Postby HBS Guy » 09 Dec 2018, 21:33

Mantra—great to see you!
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Re: they can't be serious?

Postby pinkeye » 10 Dec 2018, 01:56

mantra wrote:
Longer visa processing times have contributed to bridging visas — used so people can remain in Australia while an application is processed — doubling over four years to nearly 200,000.

Nine million applications for temporary visas were lodged last financial year, including tourist and student visas.


Obviously if they can't manage the current homeland budget - outsourcing is all that's left for this incompetent government. That will be a rort and far more costly than an overspend in the budget. I'm shocked that our borders will be left seriously short staffed over the next few months. Every drug exporter/importer will use this to their advantage - not to mention people smugglers and illegal immigrants.

We need to go to an early election.


We surely do. I'd like no later than March. These guys are not to be trusted. Morrison is a liar of the earnest variety.. like.. he really believes what he says.. :roll A fool in every context, who would have thunk it eh? A Happy Clapper is our PM. :OMG
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Re: they can't be serious?

Postby Dax » 10 Dec 2018, 06:14

What everyone seems to conveniently forget is, you always vote for people who have no life experience outside a school room or office and never real life. So they have no hope of understanding anything but their simple ideological programming.

If the truth was revealed you would find the privatisation scheme which has been ongoing since the 1970s, has reduced our ability to provide by over 65%, as most of our money is been given to the corporate and ideological elite. Decades ago when a government entered into contract with private business, they have locked in contracts, now they are opened ended so they can claim whatever they want and do. They have no ongoing support contracts to fix the many stuff ups and now own and charge whatever they want for our roads, transport, housing, health and foods.

They have allowed the corporate world to build hundreds of high rise bonfires throughout cities, walked away with the profits and now the people who bought these rabbit warrens have to pay to repair what your government allowed to happen. Have a real look at our world and you will find every aspect is collapsing rapidly and we pay more and more and get less and less.

Why have an election, unless you are stupid enough to believe that labor has changed from what there were. They still have the same policies, same people and same insane ideology. Shorten is so out of touch, is desperate to put more power into the hands of unions and big business, is a god nutter and they all associate socially with their big business and union vested interests, never real people, or in the real world.

Everyone policy by all the parties are almost the same and the independent's continue to back the incumbents, in futile efforts to get their names in the news and make out they have done something. But the reality is, what they do is the opposite to what is needed and we see the results all around us, growing chaos.

You all may disagree with me, but we are on a downward spiral into sociological oblivion and into unstoppable chaos. Keep living in disney land, it will save you, as will your god. :rofl
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