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tRUMPS sPEECH ON THE BORDER ISSUE WITH mEXICO!

Postby Bongalong » 09 Jan 2019, 12:54

I thought it was more than solid, personally!
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Re: tRUMPS sPEECH ON THE BORDER ISSUE WITH mEXICO!

Postby greggerypeccary » 09 Jan 2019, 12:58

Did he tell any lies?
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Re: tRUMPS sPEECH ON THE BORDER ISSUE WITH mEXICO!

Postby SethBullock » 09 Jan 2019, 13:14

Well done!
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Re: tRUMPS sPEECH ON THE BORDER ISSUE WITH mEXICO!

Postby greggerypeccary » 09 Jan 2019, 13:32

President M&M.

Misinformation & Malice.

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Re: tRUMPS sPEECH ON THE BORDER ISSUE WITH mEXICO!

Postby Texan » 09 Jan 2019, 13:32

I loved it. I pray he doesn't fold. We need a secure border. I've personally lost 3 friends to the crimes of people who sneaked over our Southern border. I'm through with them.

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Re: tRUMPS sPEECH ON THE BORDER ISSUE WITH mEXICO!

Postby Bongalong » 09 Jan 2019, 13:42

I've got family in mexico: whilst they are worried about trump they also have young children who swap stories in primary school about their own cops burying children..........
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Re: tRUMPS sPEECH ON THE BORDER ISSUE WITH mEXICO!

Postby SethBullock » 09 Jan 2019, 13:46

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Postby Texan » 09 Jan 2019, 13:50

greggerypeccary wrote:President M&M.

Misinformation & Malice.

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Care to elaborate? Or do you just like to hurl insults.
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Re: tRUMPS sPEECH ON THE BORDER ISSUE WITH mEXICO!

Postby Bongalong » 09 Jan 2019, 13:53

Gregs on his last leg... :read
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Re: tRUMPS sPEECH ON THE BORDER ISSUE WITH mEXICO!

Postby SethBullock » 09 Jan 2019, 14:02

You can hurl insults, but YOUR country is not connected to a landmass that allows MILLIONS of people to illegally immigrate. If YOUR country had these SAME problems, you wouldn't be hurling insults.

You guys would be singing a different tune.

You know it, and I know it.

Truth right there.

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Re: tRUMPS sPEECH ON THE BORDER ISSUE WITH mEXICO!

Postby greggerypeccary » 09 Jan 2019, 14:06

Excellent post, from Karnal:

None of this has anything to do with the Wall, dear. Illegal border crossings are at an all time low - down by over two-thirds since 2000. There is no "humanitarian crisis".

The majority of illegal aliens in the US are visa overstayers. Most of the crime Mr Trump referred to was not done by border crossers, but as he said, "illegal aliens".

The majority of drugs aren't smuggled in over the border, most come by plane or boat.

Mexico will not "indirectly" pay for the Wall. This doesn't make any sense - Mr Trump didn't even try to explain it. Raising the idea of walls around politicians' homes makes even less sense. Mr Trump's trying to build a Wall, for the most part, in the middle of a desert.

A government shutdown won't pay for the Wall either. No president has ever cut off government funding under similar circumstances. Imagine, 800,000 US employees are now off work or working for no pay at all.

The 5.7 bil won't even pay for the Wall, just one year's funding in an estimated 28 billion project over many years. All experts say this is a huge underestimation of the total cost.

Feel free to stick to the topic, Aquascoot. You don't care about the Wall, you're just here to defend a "strong, confident leader".

Others, however, defend Mr Trump solely because of the Wall. They see it as a race issue - "they're rapists, murderers, they bring in drugs and some, I assume, are good people".

The Wall is essentially a race issue - keeping out people from "shthole countries". It's not a humanitarian crisis and we all know this. The only humanitarian crisis has been the detention of illegal border crossers and the removal of their children. Mr Trump has created a problem, and now, he wants to present a solution.

But a wall is not the solution. Mr Trump said he'd been asked by border security officials to build a wall. This is false. There have been no formal requests, suggestions or reports from ICE or any other agency requesting a wall. The reports, which Democrats and Republicans in congress have already acted upon (and funded) recommended more electronic surveillance.

Mr Trump has changed the design from a "big beautiful wall - not a fence" to steel fenceposts so that border police can see through. They specifically recommended against a wall. A wall would actually hinder their work. They don't want the very thing Mr Trump promised - a fortress that would block off the murderers and rapists and keep them out of sight.

Did you know? The nearly 2 billion already funded by government to secure the border has not even been spent. In a "humanitarian crisis", Mr Trump hasn't even got to work on what border officials have requested, and what the congress and senate have already funded. And this, from a property developer "who builds things", who always comes in "ahead of time and under budget".

Mr Trump's speech was surprising in that it just reiterated what Mr Trump's already said. Nothing was announced - no emergency powers or military intervention. It was a last-ditch effort from a president who is utterly out of his depth, and possibly in his last days.

This is certainly the feeling in the White House by all accounts. Mr Trump is desperate to fund a core erection promise that no one wants or needs. Mr Trump, as president of the United States, is blindly tilting at a windmill. He doesn't even care about the Wall, he's just worried he'll have no political clout if he doesn't at least try.

Maybe, but he's not going to get it, so why try so hard?

Obama, with all his concessions and deals, finally got health care through a Republican house and senate. Mr Trump can't get his Wall through a Republican house and senate. Why would he succeed now?
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Re: tRUMPS sPEECH ON THE BORDER ISSUE WITH mEXICO!

Postby greggerypeccary » 09 Jan 2019, 14:24

Texan wrote:
greggerypeccary wrote:President M&M.

Misinformation & Malice.

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Care to elaborate? Or do you just like to hurl insults.


His speech was full of misinformation and malice.

It's not an insult - it's just the truth.

Although, I have no problem insulting an alleged child rapist who mocks disabled people on live TV.

No problem whatsoever.
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Re: tRUMPS sPEECH ON THE BORDER ISSUE WITH mEXICO!

Postby Texan » 09 Jan 2019, 14:26

greggerypeccary wrote:
Texan wrote:
greggerypeccary wrote:President M&M.

Misinformation & Malice.

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Care to elaborate? Or do you just like to hurl insults.


His speech was full of misinformation and malice.

It's not an insult - it's just the truth.

Although, I have no problem insulting an alleged child rapist who mocks disabled people on live TV.

No problem whatsoever.

So you are back to insults and you haven't produced a single sentence of misinformation from his speech. Got it.
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Re: tRUMPS sPEECH ON THE BORDER ISSUE WITH mEXICO!

Postby greggerypeccary » 09 Jan 2019, 14:29

Texan wrote:
greggerypeccary wrote:
Texan wrote:
greggerypeccary wrote:President M&M.

Misinformation & Malice.

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Care to elaborate? Or do you just like to hurl insults.


His speech was full of misinformation and malice.

It's not an insult - it's just the truth.

Although, I have no problem insulting an alleged child rapist who mocks disabled people on live TV.

No problem whatsoever.

So you are back to insults and you haven't produced a single sentence of misinformation from his speech. Got it.


Read Karnal's excellent post:

None of this has anything to do with the Wall, dear. Illegal border crossings are at an all time low - down by over two-thirds since 2000. There is no "humanitarian crisis".

The majority of illegal aliens in the US are visa overstayers. Most of the crime Mr Trump referred to was not done by border crossers, but as he said, "illegal aliens".

The majority of drugs aren't smuggled in over the border, most come by plane or boat.

Mexico will not "indirectly" pay for the Wall. This doesn't make any sense - Mr Trump didn't even try to explain it. Raising the idea of walls around politicians' homes makes even less sense. Mr Trump's trying to build a Wall, for the most part, in the middle of a desert.

A government shutdown won't pay for the Wall either. No president has ever cut off government funding under similar circumstances. Imagine, 800,000 US employees are now off work or working for no pay at all.

The 5.7 bil won't even pay for the Wall, just one year's funding in an estimated 28 billion project over many years. All experts say this is a huge underestimation of the total cost.

Feel free to stick to the topic, Aquascoot. You don't care about the Wall, you're just here to defend a "strong, confident leader".

Others, however, defend Mr Trump solely because of the Wall. They see it as a race issue - "they're rapists, murderers, they bring in drugs and some, I assume, are good people".

The Wall is essentially a race issue - keeping out people from "shthole countries". It's not a humanitarian crisis and we all know this. The only humanitarian crisis has been the detention of illegal border crossers and the removal of their children. Mr Trump has created a problem, and now, he wants to present a solution.

But a wall is not the solution. Mr Trump said he'd been asked by border security officials to build a wall. This is false. There have been no formal requests, suggestions or reports from ICE or any other agency requesting a wall. The reports, which Democrats and Republicans in congress have already acted upon (and funded) recommended more electronic surveillance.

Mr Trump has changed the design from a "big beautiful wall - not a fence" to steel fenceposts so that border police can see through. They specifically recommended against a wall. A wall would actually hinder their work. They don't want the very thing Mr Trump promised - a fortress that would block off the murderers and rapists and keep them out of sight.

Did you know? The nearly 2 billion already funded by government to secure the border has not even been spent. In a "humanitarian crisis", Mr Trump hasn't even got to work on what border officials have requested, and what the congress and senate have already funded. And this, from a property developer "who builds things", who always comes in "ahead of time and under budget".

Mr Trump's speech was surprising in that it just reiterated what Mr Trump's already said. Nothing was announced - no emergency powers or military intervention. It was a last-ditch effort from a president who is utterly out of his depth, and possibly in his last days.

This is certainly the feeling in the White House by all accounts. Mr Trump is desperate to fund a core erection promise that no one wants or needs. Mr Trump, as president of the United States, is blindly tilting at a windmill. He doesn't even care about the Wall, he's just worried he'll have no political clout if he doesn't at least try.

Maybe, but he's not going to get it, so why try so hard?

Obama, with all his concessions and deals, finally got health care through a Republican house and senate. Mr Trump can't get his Wall through a Republican house and senate. Why would he succeed now?
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Re: tRUMPS sPEECH ON THE BORDER ISSUE WITH mEXICO!

Postby Texan » 09 Jan 2019, 14:37

greggerypeccary wrote:
Texan wrote:
greggerypeccary wrote:
Texan wrote:
greggerypeccary wrote:President M&M.

Misinformation & Malice.

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Care to elaborate? Or do you just like to hurl insults.


His speech was full of misinformation and malice.

It's not an insult - it's just the truth.

Although, I have no problem insulting an alleged child rapist who mocks disabled people on live TV.

No problem whatsoever.

So you are back to insults and you haven't produced a single sentence of misinformation from his speech. Got it.


Read Karnal's excellent post:

None of this has anything to do with the Wall, dear. Illegal border crossings are at an all time low - down by over two-thirds since 2000. There is no "humanitarian crisis".

The majority of illegal aliens in the US are visa overstayers. Most of the crime Mr Trump referred to was not done by border crossers, but as he said, "illegal aliens".

The majority of drugs aren't smuggled in over the border, most come by plane or boat.

Mexico will not "indirectly" pay for the Wall. This doesn't make any sense - Mr Trump didn't even try to explain it. Raising the idea of walls around politicians' homes makes even less sense. Mr Trump's trying to build a Wall, for the most part, in the middle of a desert.

A government shutdown won't pay for the Wall either. No president has ever cut off government funding under similar circumstances. Imagine, 800,000 US employees are now off work or working for no pay at all.

The 5.7 bil won't even pay for the Wall, just one year's funding in an estimated 28 billion project over many years. All experts say this is a huge underestimation of the total cost.

Feel free to stick to the topic, Aquascoot. You don't care about the Wall, you're just here to defend a "strong, confident leader".

Others, however, defend Mr Trump solely because of the Wall. They see it as a race issue - "they're rapists, murderers, they bring in drugs and some, I assume, are good people".

The Wall is essentially a race issue - keeping out people from "shthole countries". It's not a humanitarian crisis and we all know this. The only humanitarian crisis has been the detention of illegal border crossers and the removal of their children. Mr Trump has created a problem, and now, he wants to present a solution.

But a wall is not the solution. Mr Trump said he'd been asked by border security officials to build a wall. This is false. There have been no formal requests, suggestions or reports from ICE or any other agency requesting a wall. The reports, which Democrats and Republicans in congress have already acted upon (and funded) recommended more electronic surveillance.

Mr Trump has changed the design from a "big beautiful wall - not a fence" to steel fenceposts so that border police can see through. They specifically recommended against a wall. A wall would actually hinder their work. They don't want the very thing Mr Trump promised - a fortress that would block off the murderers and rapists and keep them out of sight.

Did you know? The nearly 2 billion already funded by government to secure the border has not even been spent. In a "humanitarian crisis", Mr Trump hasn't even got to work on what border officials have requested, and what the congress and senate have already funded. And this, from a property developer "who builds things", who always comes in "ahead of time and under budget".

Mr Trump's speech was surprising in that it just reiterated what Mr Trump's already said. Nothing was announced - no emergency powers or military intervention. It was a last-ditch effort from a president who is utterly out of his depth, and possibly in his last days.

This is certainly the feeling in the White House by all accounts. Mr Trump is desperate to fund a core erection promise that no one wants or needs. Mr Trump, as president of the United States, is blindly tilting at a windmill. He doesn't even care about the Wall, he's just worried he'll have no political clout if he doesn't at least try.

Maybe, but he's not going to get it, so why try so hard?

Obama, with all his concessions and deals, finally got health care through a Republican house and senate. Mr Trump can't get his Wall through a Republican house and senate. Why would he succeed now?

I don't see where this Karnal dude quoted Trump's speech.

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Re: tRUMPS sPEECH ON THE BORDER ISSUE WITH mEXICO!

Postby greggerypeccary » 09 Jan 2019, 14:42

Trump: "the federal government remains shut down for one reason and one reason only: because Democrats will not fund border security.”

That's an outright lie.

The Democrats aren't refusing to fund border security.
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greggerypeccary wrote:Trump: "the federal government remains shut down for one reason and one reason only: because Democrats will not fund border security.”

That's an outright lie.

The Democrats aren't refusing to fund border security.



Here's another lie:

Trump: "At the request of Democrats, it will be a steel barrier rather than a concrete wall."

The Democrats have made no such request.
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Postby Dax » 09 Jan 2019, 14:50

Texan wrote: The illegals who killed my friends didn't overstay a Visa. They walked over my border.


You drop kicks are so paranoid, it's hilarious. The rump is just a reflection of where the USA sits psychologically, paranoid, deluded and bizarre. Said this before, he could get his wall if he had the brains to approach it in the right way. Instead of blustering, balling and dribbling shit out of his mouth constantly.

Of course he does represent the stereotype elitist racist yank of today, obese, gun crazy, pathological liar and pretty useless to the future. I'm all for protecting a countries borders, but there is a right way and wrong way to achieve that outcome. Both side of politics world wide go about it all wrong, one want open borders the other wants to violently shut borders and neither really thinks about the future outcomes.
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Postby greggerypeccary » 09 Jan 2019, 14:56

greggerypeccary wrote:
greggerypeccary wrote:Trump: "the federal government remains shut down for one reason and one reason only: because Democrats will not fund border security.”

That's an outright lie.

The Democrats aren't refusing to fund border security.



Here's another lie:

Trump: "At the request of Democrats, it will be a steel barrier rather than a concrete wall."

The Democrats have made no such request.


There's some of the misinformation from his speech that you requested.

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Postby Texan » 09 Jan 2019, 15:03

greggerypeccary wrote:Trump: "the federal government remains shut down for one reason and one reason only: because Democrats will not fund border security.”

That's an outright lie.

The Democrats aren't refusing to fund border security.

Trump is siding with the American people and our border security forces in defining necessary border security as a physical barrier.

The Democrats complained about the cost of a concrete wall and Trump responded with a lower cost metal slat border wall.

You are complaining about differences of perception. Most Americans want a wall. The Democrats are only trying to get Trump to abandon his biggest campaign issue to separate Trump from his voters. That's why Trump won't back down. I'd be happy if the government stayed shut down and any "non essential" employees who have not been working should find other jobs. No other employer besides government has "non essential employees".
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Postby SethBullock » 09 Jan 2019, 15:08

greggerypeccary wrote:Trump: "the federal government remains shut down for one reason and one reason only: because Democrats will not fund border security.”

That's an outright lie.

The Democrats aren't refusing to fund border security.


And you believe them? You REALLY believe the Democrats want true border security?

And I say again ...

You can hurl insults, but YOUR country is not connected to a landmass that allows MILLIONS of people to illegally immigrate. If YOUR country had these SAME problems, you wouldn't be hurling insults.

You guys would be singing a different tune.

You know it, and I know it.

Truth right there.

I DARE you to deny it. I DARE you.

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Postby greggerypeccary » 09 Jan 2019, 15:12

SethBullock wrote:
greggerypeccary wrote:Trump: "the federal government remains shut down for one reason and one reason only: because Democrats will not fund border security.”

That's an outright lie.

The Democrats aren't refusing to fund border security.


And you believe them? You REALLY believe the Democrats want true border security?

And I say again ...

You can hurl insults, but YOUR country is not connected to a landmass that allows MILLIONS of people to illegally immigrate. If YOUR country had these SAME problems, you wouldn't be hurling insults.

You guys would be singing a different tune.

You know it, and I know it.

Truth right there.

I DARE you to deny it. I DARE you.

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Trump said: "the federal government remains shut down for one reason and one reason only: because Democrats will not fund border security.”

Are the Democrats refusing to fund border security?

A simple 'yes' or 'no' will suffice.
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Postby greggerypeccary » 09 Jan 2019, 15:15

Texan wrote:
greggerypeccary wrote:Trump: "the federal government remains shut down for one reason and one reason only: because Democrats will not fund border security.”

That's an outright lie.

The Democrats aren't refusing to fund border security.

Trump is siding with the American people and our border security forces in defining necessary border security as a physical barrier.

The Democrats complained about the cost of a concrete wall and Trump responded with a lower cost metal slat border wall.

You are complaining about differences of perception. Most Americans want a wall. The Democrats are only trying to get Trump to abandon his biggest campaign issue to separate Trump from his voters. That's why Trump won't back down. I'd be happy if the government stayed shut down and any "non essential" employees who have not been working should find other jobs. No other employer besides government has "non essential employees".


Trump lied.

The Democrats are not refusing to fund border security, and they did not request a steel barrier instead of a concrete wall.

This in undeniable.

As I said, President M&M: Misinformation (well, outright lies actually) & Malice.
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Postby HBS Guy » 09 Jan 2019, 15:16

The shut down is already affecting the economy: people can’t get federal mortgages and business finds it hard to find capital. Farmers are not being paid their subsidies.

Back office people might be a more useful term than non–essential worker.
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Postby greggerypeccary » 09 Jan 2019, 15:35

HBS Guy wrote:The shit down is already affecting the economy: people can’t get federal mortgages and business finds it hard to find capital. Farmers are not being paid their subsidies.

Back office people might be a more useful term than non–essential worker.


That's a good description: a shit down :bgrin
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