Flipping Heck: can we even talk about this?

[Bongalong]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/15/david-buckel-lawyer-climate-change-protest

[HBS Guy]

More text please DRAH. Tell me why I should click on your link?

[Bongalong]

More text please DRAH. Tell me why I should click on your link?

OOOps. I went surfing after I posted the ink to add a comment.... I could just add my own.



Apparently this guy self immolated by fire and left a note saying it was about apathy toward climate change... and he was sorry for the mess.

<to put it bluntly!! >

[DonDeeHippy]

wow, just read it and the guy must of really been having some mental issue's to think that was a good idea.... Considering the good he had done for his community and the work he had done in his professional career , it wasn't like he hadn't done any good in his life.

[johnsmith]

mental illness can strike anyone, even successful lawyers.

[Bongalong]

Yeh, true story!

[Texan]

My opinion of anybody is lessened when they commit suicide. I might understand a little if they are terminally ill and in great pain, but it still leaves loved ones to clean up the mess.

[pinkeye]

Not always Texan.
Some people have no loved ones in their life.

I think it is a purely personal decision to make. Self-immolation has been a symbol of despair and protest for a long time. Tibet springs to mind.

[Bongalong]

My opinion of anybody is lessened when they commit suicide. I might understand a little if they are terminally ill and in great pain, but it still leaves loved ones to clean up the mess.

Well, I remember what my friend who committed suicide used to tell me about the other friends we both knew since Kindy who'd committed suicide is that 'nature culls the weak....'

I remember he was really off his food before he went... and smoking way too much dope !!!

Atleast he didn't do it on the tree outside his house like my/our other friend... (Apparently the tree out the back snapped!)

I forgive him... I forgive all of them... but, yes: what a mess I suppose<-- I've never had to witness it!

[Bongalong]

Not always Texan.
Some people have no loved ones in their life.

I think it is a purely personal decision to make. Self-immolation has been a symbol of despair and protest for a long time. Tibet springs to mind.

Oh, and some people get seriously abused as kids.

How does anyone expect anyone to get over that?

Purely personal, for sure.

[DonDeeHippy]

My opinion of anybody is lessened when they commit suicide. I might understand a little if they are terminally ill and in great pain, but it still leaves loved ones to clean up the mess.

I think if someone is in that headspace that suicide is looking good, they really have no capacity to think of others.

[Bongalong]

My opinion of anybody is lessened when they commit suicide. I might understand a little if they are terminally ill and in great pain, but it still leaves loved ones to clean up the mess.

I think if someone is in that headspace that suicide is looking good, they really have no capacity to think of others.

You would have to think so.. though sometimes you get a note that says sorry... imagine writing that

[johnsmith]

My opinion of anybody is lessened when they commit suicide. I might understand a little if they are terminally ill and in great pain, but it still leaves loved ones to clean up the mess.

I agree ... I see it as the cowards option.

[pinkeye]

'coward's option'...? What do you mean by that. ?

[pinkeye]

I remember being deeply saddened when the drummer from Crowded House (?) , or was it the flautist from Men at Work..?

well obviously BOTH... but .. he took his two dogs for a walk, and hung himself in a Park.!!

You know what, I was more outraged that he did that to his dogs..

[Bongalong]

'coward's option'...? What do you mean by that. ?

He means he's hardcore lol

[Bongalong]

I remember being deeply saddened when the drummer from Crowded House (?) , or was it the flautist from Men at Work..?

well obviously BOTH... but .. he took his two dogs for a walk, and hung himself in a Park.!!

You know what, I was more outraged that he did that to his dogs..

Wow, and hanging yourself in public... they talk about (in)famous trees in places like Port Headland and stuff...

Truly sad stuff... I wonder how the dogs did cope with it actually...

[johnsmith]

'coward's option'...? What do you mean by that. ?

Exactly what it says, it's the cowards option. For some, suicide is easier than dealing with life.

[pinkeye]

I don't accept your personal blanket-view of people who choose to end their lives.

Sometimes, if they are still capable, it is the bravest thing... to do.

You can just say that... a 'cowards option',... but you really aren't paying attention to this issue …. nor are you cognisant of what LIFE throws up to every one. You are simply arrogant and superior, if that is how you approach the idea of suicide.

OR perhaps it is your armor, against such thoughts..? Or 'ideation' as some say it.

[johnsmith]

I don't accept your personal blanket-view of people who choose to end their lives.

Sometimes, if they are still capable, it is the bravest thing... to do.

You can just say that... a 'cowards option',... but you really aren't paying attention to this issue …. nor are you cognisant of what LIFE throws up to every one. You are simply arrogant and superior, if that is how you approach the idea of suicide.

OR perhaps it is your armor, against such thoughts..? Or 'ideation' as some say it.

you feel free to believe what you like. Me, I'll continue to believe it is the cowards option.

[mothra]

'coward's option'...? What do you mean by that. ?

Exactly what it says, it's the cowards option. For some, suicide is easier than dealing with life.

Suicide is far too complex to be written off as cowardice.

It is rarely committed through cowardice. More often than not, the people who do it are convinced their loved ones will be better off without them.

These are people in tremendous pain. Something is very wrong. It's too easy just to blame them for it.

[DonDeeHippy]

'coward's option'...? What do you mean by that. ?

Exactly what it says, it's the cowards option. For some, suicide is easier than dealing with life.

Suicide is far too complex to be written off as cowardice.

It is rarely committed through cowardice. More often than not, the people who do it are convinced their loved ones will be better off without them.

These are people in tremendous pain. Something is very wrong. It's too easy just to blame them for it.

couldn't agree more..... My uncle killed himself in his early 40's, in his youth rowed for Australia and was a carpenter, went to New guinea to work and miscommunication lost the love of his life, never recovered and ended up drinking a lot for the rest of his life, lived with his mother, one day it got to much and he went and shot himself..... Over the years I've thought about this a lot..... I've never thought of him a coward, just so sad he was broken and couldn't find a reason to live.

[Dax]

My opinion of anybody is lessened when they commit suicide. I might understand a little if they are terminally ill and in great pain, but it still leaves loved ones to clean up the mess.

Clearly you have no understanding of how peoples lives are effected, or for that matter people in general. Have been personally touched by suicide and understand why they did it, although don;t now how I would react in that situation. There have been times in my life when ending it all seemed the best solution for everyone, but I'm one of those people who just can't resist wanting to know what's round the corner, so decided to handle the pain to see how long could stand it. When you suffer from undiagnosed severe PTSD, it can be very taxing on your mind sanity and ability to cope, it can be extremely taxing on your mind trying to battle through problems you seem to have no idea of how overcome and cope.

It's the same for those who have had traumatic lives and not been able to remove themselves from their situation, hopelessness becomes a real burden and not easily thrown off. When you add diet and lifestyle introduced chemical imbalances on the brain, maybe some physical problems as well then hopelessness, becomes the only future some can see. If you've ever suffered strong psychological distress and ongoing mental trauma, unless you can find a way out, or someone can help you find a way out, life can seem pretty awful and worthless.

The damage suicide has on others, is like most other deaths, it has a big effect, which lessens over time until it's not only bearable, but distant. Making judgements on people in bad psychological states, is not the sign of an understanding person, just someone who is shit scared of the realities of life, so condemn those who take different directions and outcomes. You can also lay lots of the blame against religion, if the bizarre god cult did nt offer the fairy tale perfect life in the sky after death, many people would not take their lives, as they'd realise that's it and there is nothing. The pain is gone, but so are you, completely.

[johnsmith]

'coward's option'...? What do you mean by that. ?

Exactly what it says, it's the cowards option. For some, suicide is easier than dealing with life.

Suicide is far too complex to be written off as cowardice.

It is rarely committed through cowardice. More often than not, the people who do it are convinced their loved ones will be better off without them.

These are people in tremendous pain. Something is very wrong. It's too easy just to blame them for it.

then they are cowards for not asking their loved ones first.

And yes I am aware that calling them cowards is simplistic and that there are many other factors at paly. But I feel that when you break it down, at it's most basic level, it is cowardice.

Be that because they are scared of the 'pain and suffering', scared of 'what's around the corner', scared to face life without 'the one that got away,' scared of facing the 'consequences of their actions' etc etc .... whatever has caused that fear, they took the cowards option and instead of facing it, they ended it.

[pinkeye]

You are assuming a lot there.

Primarily, you think we must live our lives governed only by how it affects others.

I don't agree... I think it remains an option.. always has always will, and your Christian certainties don't do you any credit.
Because ..?it is a very Christian idea, to condemn suicide.

Once upon a time it was illegal, and maybe that is something you could inform yourself of , here in colonial Australia.
Guess who got the spoils.? . primarily.. the Church(s.)
But that is an old issue about suicide really.

Today, as individuals we have to face so much, often on our own, and it can take a lot of grit to keep on going. It doesn't surprise me that suicide is so prevalent in our society.


And really what is the point of saying, you think less of those who commit suicide..? hmm? doesn't matter to them does it? They're passed your opinions or values.
So you're talking to all those others... trying to shame them. It doesn't work, and will never work... all you do is prolong the misery.