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NSW and Queensland fires: two people dead, seven unaccounted

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Isn't it fortuitous that Australia has cut down nearly 50% of its forests since settlement?

Those nasty trees kill people. Much better to have desert which doesn't host raging fires.

In Australia, the Nullarbor is no longer just a location, it is also an objective.

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NSW and Queensland fires: two people dead, seven unaccounted for and more than 100 homes destroyed – live
NSW’s Glen Innes the site of confirmed deaths and missing persons, as 77 bushfires still burn across the east-coast states

There have been a few questions to the PM, including one about the ferocity of these early fires and links to climate change.

“My only thoughts today are those who lost their lives and their families, the firefighters fighting the fires, the response effort that has to be delivered, and how the Commonwealth can support those efforts,” he replied.

He said Australia had been “battling ferocious fires for as long as Australia has been a nation and well before,” he said.

He said Australians all had to brace themselves for the fire season, and he feared there would be more deaths confirmed before the day was out.

“We always have to listen carefully to the warnings, and undertake the preparations that are advised in every single season. I think that Australians increasingly understand that and I would be encouraging them to revisit their fire preparation plans. The fire might be on your doorstep today, but as we go into every fire season and every summer season, the risk is ever present, and it’s important that families understand what the evacuation procedures are. What numbers to call. What things to ready themselves with, and how they can best prepare their properties in the event of a firestorm.

Prime minister Scott Morrison is speaking now – and he’s flagged a “contingency option” of further involvement of the defence forces.

He said the deployment of ADF – beyond the airlifts they’re already doing – hadn’t been requested yet, but he and relevant ministers were discussing having them ready.

“I convened this morning with ministers with direct operational responsibility ... and the ADF is presenting options on callouts of reservists as may be necessary,” he said.

That would likely involve building fire breaks away from fire fronts, and providing accommodation and logistics to assist the state agencies working on the frontline.

“Our defence forces are not trained firefighters,” he stressed.

“The ADF can provide a lot of support in logistics and other areas as required.”

Morrison has thanked services responding to the emergencies, and also warned that similar conditions were expected in WA over the next few days.

Three WA regions were expected to go to “catastrophic” warnings, and resources would be made available.

“The sad truth is we’ve had far too much practice and deployments in these areas but the lessons learned ... have ensured the coordination and response is very swift.”

He also said emergency service payments for people affected would be mobilised over the weekend – $1,000 per adult and $400 per child.

Greg Allan, spokesman for the NSW rural fire service, has given us a quick update on the resources out there fighting the 81 bush and grass fires across the state.

There are more than 1,200 RFS firefighters, more than 300 vehicles, and more than 60 aircraft including two large air tankers.

That’s including local crews, but there are also out-of-areas crews and interstate agencies assisting, as well as NSW fire and rescue, the national parks and wildlife service, and forestry.

In the north of NSW, 164 minimum security inmates were evacuated from Glenn Innes prison to Grafton, according to the department of corrections.

There are stock losses and at least 10 homes as well as bridges lost in the Nambucca valley, the mayor of the shire, Rhonda Hoban, has said. The Kian road fire has gone through more than 14,000 hectares and is at a watch and act level.

Hoban has asked for people living near the fireground areas to do what they need to do while they can and get out. The rest of the community to stay away from the fireground areas. She said mobile services and electricity was out for hundreds of people.

At the moment in NSW there are two emergency level fires – at Hillville and Stockyard Flat – and 14 at the watch and act level.

In Queensland, there is one emergency fire at Cooroibah and three watch and act.

There are still dozens of fires burning across both states.

That out-of-control Hillville fire, south of Taree, has gone through more than 12,300 hectares so far, and local ABC radio reported just few minutes ago that it has reached the coastline at Diamond Beach.

Club Old Bar on the mid north coast has been set up as a safe neighbourhood space, as the large fire approaches the coastal town. There’s about 320 people there, and organisers are expecting more.

The mid north coast mayor has just told the ABC the surf club had been sheltering people but it was recently evacuated.

Today, NSW RFS Building Assessment Teams are heading to fire affected areas to assess property damage, while crews work to clear fallen trees & reopen local roads. We're trying to get people back to their properties as soon as we can, but it may take some time. #nswrfs #nswfires

We’re also hearing from on the ground that new roads are being closed as fires shift direction. Monitor local broadcasters and please obey the signs.

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What a fucking clown we have as PM.

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OH? you heard his brief reaction on the News this arvo?

The man is a freakin' monster, no way is he a clown. Unless you're thing of IT.
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Australia is burning up. Victoria is bracing for a "very extreme" heat wave and the possibility of fires worse than 2009.

The whole of Australia is a tinderbox waiting for ignition.

ScoMo has buried his head in the sand and refuses to acknowledge that climate change is real.

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Worse than Black Saturday: Victoria braced for 'very extreme' heatwaves
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By Noel Towell
November 11, 2019 — 11.45pm

The Victorian government is planning for a "very extreme" heatwave, worse than the Black Saturday weather event of 2009, with the potential to kill hundreds of people, cripple public transport and the electricity supply and strip $1 billion from the state’s economy.

As authorities brace for what could be the worst fire season in many years and with deadly blazes still burning out of control in NSW and Queensland, the state government says it is preparing for weather more terrifying than anything Victoria has experienced.

The Department of Environment, Land, Water and Planning's grim assessment is that a "one-in-110 years" heatwave, more destructive than the "one-in-25 years" scorchers in 2009 and 2014, is a real possibility, with the likelihood set to double in the next 11 years.

The department's planners have also warned that "severe heatwaves", which occur every two years on average, could become an annual hazard.

Victorian Environment Minister Lily D’Ambrosio said preparation and planning for an increase in deadly weather was well under way across key areas of government operations, including health, transport, water, agriculture, education, energy and emergency services.

Sydney is preparing for its first ever day of "catastrophic" fire danger on Tuesday, with the NSW government declaring a state of emergency after blazes in the north of NSW left three people dead and more than 1 million hectares burnt.

In Queensland, about 50 fires were burning out of control on Monday and the political temperature was rising too, with Coalition politicians at both state and federal levels reacting angrily to calls for action on climate change.

In Victoria, which has been spared deadly fires so far this year, the Environment Department says the warming atmosphere and ocean is making deadly weather conditions, such as extreme heat, long droughts and intense heavy rainfall, more common and that it is likely to intensify in a “hotter future climate”.

A catastrophic fire danger warning is in place and a ‘state of emergency’ has been declared in NSW.

The Environment Department says it is trying to learn lessons from the 2009 heatwaves, which contributed to Australia’s deadliest bushfires, the Black Saturday blazes that killed 173 people, but which also caused 374 additional heat-related deaths.

The extreme weather resulted in Victoria’s highest ever recorded temperature, with Hopetoun in the state’s north-west tapping 48.8 degrees, and also hit the electricity supply and public transport hard, with mass disruptions and blackouts.

The 2009 and 2014 hot periods were officially defined as “extreme”, but the government’s scientists and researchers say they could soon need a new category: the “very extreme” heatwave.

Emergency services planners have modelled a scenario for training and preparation based on the very extreme heatwave of seven days of temperatures above 40 degrees, leading to 900 heatwave deaths, serious fires across the state and breakdowns of the electricity and public transport systems.

The Environment Department, which estimates the chance of such a heatwave striking will double between now and 2030, is taking the risk and the potential consequences seriously.

“Risk managers are also planning for the impact of a very extreme heatwave event on Victoria, an unprecedented scenario 10 per cent more severe than the 2009 Black Saturday heatwave,” according to a departmental document.

“An event of this magnitude would cause irreparable damage to the natural and engineered systems that underpin the Victorian economy.”

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Wow—this is on FaceBook somewhere:
Hi everyone.

My name is Bruce Walker, you might remember me from ABC TV yesterday, I’m one of the survivors of the Wytaliba fires of last Friday, 8th November 2019, responding to this well informed fuckwit here – Anthony ×××××××

So mate – first up, I’ve been an RFS volunteer for close to 20 years, and am part of the highly regarded Wytaliba RFS – one of the most respected and hardened crews on the Northern Tablelands and beyond. Our crew number over 50 and include decorated vets of Ash Wednesday and many other national disaster catastrophic level fires.

Regarding hazard reduction. let me fill you in.

For my time here, we used to do managed hazard reduction whenever it was viable in winter. However – sadly, the moment Gina and Rupert went halves and purchased the LNP wholesale, we saw a MASSIVE increase in wholesale industrial logging across the nation.

Tell me, Anthony – do you garden? Do you use MULCH?

Compare a mulched garden to a non-mulched garden. You’ll see a near instant difference. If you’re not schooled on how soil works, try standing all day in the sun with no hat on. What happens?

That’s right, Anthony. Your head gets fucking hot.

That’s what’s happened to the planet. Now as anyone who’s dabbled in, you know… physics, will spell out better than I can – an increase of just one degree is quite significant.

Another neato thing physics talks about is the water cycle, Anthony.

You see, part of the water cycle is this cool thing called “transpiration”

It’s part 4 of this essential way in which trees send up moisture to meet clouds, creating low pressure troughs which draw rainfall inland In fact, it’s physically impossible to get rain on the lee side of a mountain, without trees doing this very thing. Impossible. Ask the residents of the Atacama Desert in Chile – who haven’t had rain for one THOUSAND years. Why? No fucking trees, Anthony.

So anyway, back to the Greens enacting a ban on burnoffs – that time we elected them to majority government and they had the final say.

When was that again, Anthony? I’ll wait.

Nah. lets move on, since we ALL know this was never a thing . Ever.

So anyway – here in Wytaliba, we used to have an incredibly green lush valley – right up until industrial loggers finally broke in to compartments to our north. Right about this time there was a near instant and significant drop to our vital streamflow.

This happened again after each and every highland logging operation – and with LNP slashing and burning every national park in sight, well… you know, let’s not go there. Climate change is a hoax, right?

So wholesale burn quotas came in with LNP too. This… well.. I just want to pause here and say “wow” because this did indeed make us say wow.

In recent years, we’ve seen hazard reduction burns take place completely surrounding our once green, lush valley. So much so that after the last July burn of an area once supplying most of our water – well… 27 years of no burn had left a healthy and regenerating semi-arid rainforest. Now it’s simply arid nothing.

Despite this burn and 3 more last year, we got the following result – fires flared up in this dry, mulchless wasteland and burned for 6 weeks, destroying 2 more former rainforest areas, leaving them also tinder dry and unable to transpire – hasn’t actually rained a drop since then. Weird. almost like cause and effect took place.

Clouds pass over, for sure. they get rain on the tablelands even – but – as physics reminds us, when air drops, it warms, expands, and rather than raining, sucks even more moisture from trees and soil.

Oh well.

I mean, this is normal for Australia, isn’t it? Watching 200 or more year old trees slowly wither and die right in front of you. That’s normal. Happens all the time. Rivers dry up too, even though ours is home to platypi – who aren’t known for travelling much – and hasn’t dried up in probably 100,000 years minimum.

Until last summer, and it’s been bone dry since August.

This has never happened in my entire 25 or so years here. No local elders remember such a thing. Wow!

Now, we all know about the Bees Nest and Kingsgate fires and the hundreds more around the state. My crew and many other heroic RFS volunteers have been fighting them for months on end.

Yet another backburn actually got lit up about a month ago, on our south side, just half an hour before high southerly winds were due. The responsible paid agency then ran out of paid hours, packed up and left it to spot onto our property and threaten 80 homes.

We’re like the Mujahadeen of firefighting though, so we got it after about 10 days nonstop hectic battle.

This brings us up to date, Anthony. We’ve got bare, blacked-out dust for 50 km in all directions. Right up to the actual eaves of half the homes here, which is why Friday’s hellstorm caught all of us by surprise, Anthony

A mushroom cloud went up at 3 pm, 20 or so km away. Within 30 minutes, high winds turned that into a 20 km long front – strangely, this front was on ground burnt black as recently as 3 weeks ago. Crown fires too, since every tree was literally a giant matchstick with dead leaves and nothing else.

This then switched to 80km/h southerlies and rained hell on 3500 acres of already blacked out ground.

Well… you can’t say we didn’t prep or do hazard reduction redneck style, can you, Anthony? Or can you?

Curiously, within 1 hour we’d lost 20 homes, a school, a fire shed, and a concrete fucking bridge – meaning only 2 outside units even got in to help. Falling trees in the hundreds blocked the old Grafton road, so no one could even help neighbours.

By dawn, of 80 homes in our community, 52 were lost, 2 dead (one a Sex Party voter, the other apolitical – this one is for you, Barnaby fucking Joyce. We had many injured, thousands of local animals died, and it looks like a war zone here. Which it did almost before, except we had homes.

So, Anthony ××××××× and ALL you fucking armchair experts out there, tell me again. How was this the Greens fault?

Thanks. Looking forward to your well thought out response.

Bruce Walker, Wytaliba RFS member and survivor.

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Never the fault of the Greens..
they are just a handy scapegoat for lies which seek to deflect responsibility and the need for action, into fruitless political point-scoring.

I have heard the rednecks and their stupidity amazes me.
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Greens blocked the CPRS and sabotaged the Carbon Price. Green in name only.

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A heatwave is coming from the West.

Sydney is going to fry.

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