⮞ Texas Abortion Ban Stays In Effect With Help From SCOTUS ⮜

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chris155au

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Shellandshilo1956 said:
You are correct! No pro-choice advocate would ever say, that a growing embryo is NOT a part of the woman's body. BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE BLATANTLY LYING! Even identical twins do not have 100% identical genes(copy number variants). But they are still a part of the woman's body. Even if the woman had the embryo of an orangutan growing inside of her body, it would still be a part of her body. ANYTHING that is attached to, or attached within her body, is a part of her body.

What does the genetic makeup of a embryo/fetus have to do with where it is located? Anyway, NO GROWING FETUS'S DNA WILL MATCH ITS MOTHER'S. This is because its genetic makeup, is made from both the mother and the father. But none of this nonsense has anything to do with where the embryo/fetus is located. It is located inside the uterus(womb), which is an organ, that is a part of a woman's reproductive system. Therefore, IT IS PART OF A WOMAN'S BODY! If the embryo/fetus a not part of a woman's body, then what IS it a part of?? The Body of Christ?? Fanatics!
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You don't seem to understand that the life has unique DNA and that it's not just a part of her body like ACTUAL body parts which have her DNA!
 
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johnsmith said:
I'll bet dream rider has never done a thing to help all those kids who because of crappy upbringing turn to a life of drugs and crime, or turn to the streets. I'll bet he's the first to say 'they should get a job' and stop sponging.
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Totally and utterly irrelevant to the abortion debate!
 
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Shellandshilo1956

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chris155au said:
It's VERY telling that you cannot even say if Roe v Wade goes far enough!
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I did answer the question about Roe vs Wade. But how exactly is my comment/non-comments very telling?

chris155au said:
You don't seem to understand that the life has unique DNA and that it's not just a part of her body like ACTUAL body parts which have her DNA!
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Did you know that the fertilized egg/embryo is an alien in the mothers body? Did you know that the mother's immune system would normally kill this alien? I won't bother asking you WHY this doesn't happen? Anything that didn't come with the original body, is treated as an invader. Why do you think transplant patients need immunosuppressants for life?

chris155au said:
Just like a born kid is totally dependent on the woman.
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Only because babies can't feed themselves, or pour themselves a glass of water. they are natures most helpless of all creatures. We all need the same basic sustenance for survival, except that a baby is not developed enough to get it himself! There are also many differences between a newborn, and a fetus still in the womb.
 
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chris155au

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johnsmith said:
I'll bet dream rider has never done a thing to help all those kids who because of crappy upbringing turn to a life of drugs and crime, or turn to the streets. I'll bet he's the first to say 'they should get a job' and stop sponging.
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What have YOU done to help these kind of kids?
 
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chris155au

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Shellandshilo1956 said:
Did you know that the fertilized egg/embryo is an alien in the mothers body? Did you know that the mother's immune system would normally kill this alien?
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I have no idea what you're saying.

chris155au said:
Just like a born kid is totally dependent on the woman.
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Shellandshilo1956 said:
Only because babies can't feed themselves, or pour themselves a glass of water. they are natures most helpless of all creatures. We all need the same basic sustenance for survival, except that a baby is not developed enough to get it himself! There are also many differences between a newborn, and a fetus still in the womb.
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So then the fact that a fetus is dependent on the mother is not an argument against this:
DreamRyderX said:
Absolutely why a growing 100% LIVING HUMAN BABY within the womb is not part of the woman's body, it is not a functional part of that woman, if it were an actual part of the woman, the BABY's DNA would match the woman's DNA completely....match her like her kidney would.........or a finger.....or an eye.........match her DNA exactly........
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chris155au

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Shellandshilo1956 said:
Roe vs Wade only gives women the right to to CHOOSE to have an abortion without government interference. It doesn't force women to have one. Asking if it goes far enough makes no sense. Women have this right. That's as far as it goes!
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I'm assuming that you don't think that Roe v Wade permits abortion after the point of viability, and that States which ban abortion after point of viability are not in fact violating Roe v Wade.
 
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Shellandshilo1956

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chris155au said:
I have no idea what you're saying.
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And therein lies the real problem. Maybe someone older than you can explain what I am saying? Perhaps an Highschool biology student?

chris155au said:
So then the fact that a fetus is dependent on the mother is not an argument against this:
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What argument are you talking about Chris? The newborn is totally dependent on its mother for it to survive. Not to live. It is already alive and viable. And, it has IT'S OWN PHYSIOLOGY to sustain its life. It is NOT a closed system, so it needs energy to sustain its life, the same as you. The only instinct that evolution has given this human rug crawler, to sustain its life, is the ability to suckle and grasp things. That's it. It is the most helpless of all newborn creatures. It is born with no skills to sustain its survival. And, that is why it is totally dependent on its mother(or other adults).

In the womb, it is the MOTHER'S PHYSIOLOGY(not the fetus's) that sustains the fetus's life. NOT its survival outside of the womb!! Do you understand the difference between the two??

chris155au said:
I'm assuming that you don't think that Roe v Wade permits abortion after the point of viability, and that States which ban abortion after point of viability are not in fact violating Roe v Wade.
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Please read Roe vs. Wade again. I am tired of repeating myself. You still clearly don't understand what this decision means or entails!!

chris155au said:
Murderers have had their CHANCE at life. And they failed. They have TAKEN a life, and they could take another one. So yes, I am pro-life.
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So you are now saying that your value of a life is NOT based on its sanctity, but only on its due process? You are NOT pro-life!
 
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chris155au

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Shellandshilo1956 said:
And therein lies the real problem. Maybe someone older than you can explain what I am saying? Perhaps an Highschool biology student?
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You did not explain what you meant by "the mother's immune system would normally kill this alien." If you had a good explanation of what you are talking about, you would have already explained!

Shellandshilo1956 said:
The newborn is totally dependent on its mother for it to survive.
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Yep, just like when they were unborn.

Shellandshilo1956 said:
It is already alive and viable. And, it has IT'S OWN PHYSIOLOGY to sustain its life. It is NOT a closed system, so it needs energy to sustain its life, the same as you.
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Yep, just like a post viability fetus. "Alive and viable" just like you said. I couldn't have summarised it better myself!

Shellandshilo1956 said:
The only instinct that evolution has given this human rug crawler, to sustain its life, is the ability to suckle and grasp things. That's it. It is the most helpless of all newborn creatures. It is born with no skills to sustain its survival. And, that is why it is totally dependent on its mother(or other adults).
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Yes, what's your point?

Shellandshilo1956 said:
In the womb, it is the MOTHER'S PHYSIOLOGY(not the fetus's) that sustains the fetus's life. NOT its survival outside of the womb!! Do you understand the difference between the two??
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I understand that a kid needs their mother, regardless of whether they are born or unborn.

Shellandshilo1956 said:
Please read Roe vs. Wade again. I am tired of repeating myself. You still clearly don't understand what this decision means or entails!!
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It means that after the point have viability, States can ban elective abortion and only abortion to save the life of the mother must be provided. Simple!

Shellandshilo1956 said:
So you are now saying that your value of a life is NOT based on its sanctity, but only on its due process? You are NOT pro-life!
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Sanctity:

the state or quality of being holy, sacred, or saintly.

A life which has sanctity should not be killed. There's nothing "holy, sacred, or saintly" about a piece of human waste who has murdered someone. It's perfectly okay to kill them. Try telling me that a child rapist/murderer has sanctity and should therefore not be killed.
 
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chris155au said:
You did not explain what you meant by "the mother's immune system would normally kill this alien." If you had a good explanation of what you are talking about, you would have already explained!



Yep, just like when they were unborn.



Yep, just like a post viability fetus. "Alive and viable" just like you said. I couldn't have summarised it better myself!



Yes, what's your point?



I understand that a kid needs their mother, regardless of whether they are born or unborn.



It means that after the point have viability, States can ban elective abortion and only abortion to save the life of the mother must be provided. Simple!



Sanctity:

the state or quality of being holy, sacred, or saintly.

A life which has sanctity should not be killed. There's nothing "holy, sacred, or saintly" about a piece of human waste who has murdered someone. It's perfectly okay to kill them. Try telling me that a child rapist/murderer has sanctity and should therefore not be killed.
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We're done here!!
 
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