2 Sides To Police Shootings

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
Those questions.
And you asked to be advised,, but you don't remember that..?

You need a chill pill mate.
I get it. You think that the question I asked decades ago, to someone else was stupid. You also think that I am stupid for asking it. You believe that people asking stupid questions deserve to be ridiculed and humiliated. And finally, you think that people should never ask questions that other might think are stupid.

Although the question I asked them, was NEVER my point(it was about shifting blame), you are entitled to misrepresent anything that I say. I simple disagree with you for obvious reasons. If people were afraid to ask questions, society might only be as smart as its dumbest person. IMHO
 

DreamRyderX

Active member
"(There's) no such thing as a stupid question" is a popular phrase with a long history. It suggests that the quest for knowledge includes failure, and that just because one person may know less than others they should not be afraid to ask rather than pretend they already know. In many cases multiple people may not know, but are too afraid to ask the "stupid question"; the one who asks the question may in fact be doing a service to those around them.
 

Shellandshilo1956

Active member
Oh yeah!

I separated two vandalism suspects one time and spoke to one of them who denied it. I then went to the second one, and he denied it too. So I went back to the first one and told him the second one had “come clean” and that he was “being honest.” He immediately confessed. So I went back to the second one and told him his partner had confessed, and he confessed too.

Another time a suspect denied being in the area of a crime. I left the room for a few minutes, and when I came back to the room, I carried in a binder filled with blank paper and a blank video tape with the suspect’s name written onto the cover. I just casually set it aside, but he could see it. I then asked if there was any reason why a surveillance camera would record him in the area at the time of the crime. He hung his head, and he confessed to the crime.
I remember after a car chase, two guys booked from the vehicle and ran towards the back of the projects. One we tackled right away, but the other was much faster. He was hiding somewhere in the tall grass, which covered a large area at the back. Since it was very dark, we had no idea where he was. My partner screamed out, "I can see you. Come out or we will fire". He started to count backwards from 5, and the suspect stood up. He was only 5 feet to our left, and scared the shit out of us when he stood up.

Here's a different example of lying and deception. We are all trained not to hit anyone above the shoulders with our 26" batons. An officer went to court and claimed(under oath), that he never hit the suspect on the side of the head with his baton. Unfortunately, the court was shown photos of the cops star number embedded clearly on the side of the suspect's head. Guilty! Cops now only put their star numbers on the handle of their batons.

I totally agree with deception and lies being used in Law Enforcement to find out the truth. However there is a fine line between using deception and lies, and using mental and physical duress, to find out the truth.

Not sure what using deception and lies, have to do with 2 sides of police shootings of unarmed people.
 

SethBullock

Moderator
Staff member
I remember after a car chase, two guys booked from the vehicle and ran towards the back of the projects. One we tackled right away, but the other was much faster. He was hiding somewhere in the tall grass, which covered a large area at the back. Since it was very dark, we had no idea where he was. My partner screamed out, "I can see you. Come out or we will fire". He started to count backwards from 5, and the suspect stood up. He was only 5 feet to our left, and scared the shit out of us when he stood up.

Here's a different example of lying and deception. We are all trained not to hit anyone above the shoulders with our 26" batons. An officer went to court and claimed(under oath), that he never hit the suspect on the side of the head with his baton. Unfortunately, the court was shown photos of the cops star number embedded clearly on the side of the suspect's head. Guilty! Cops now only put their star numbers on the handle of their batons.

I totally agree with deception and lies being used in Law Enforcement to find out the truth. However there is a fine line between using deception and lies, and using mental and physical duress, to find out the truth.

Not sure what using deception and lies, have to do with 2 sides of police shootings of unarmed people.
I laughed at your story about the guy in the tall grass because I did the same thing one time. It was dark, and a guy with a warrant ran between a couple of houses into an unimproved plot of land covered in brushy foliage about 5 feet tall. I had lost sight of him. Not wanting to run into it blind, not knowing where he may be hiding, I stopped at the edge of the brushy area and aimed my flashlight into the area and yelled, "I've got a gun on you! Put your hands up!" I didn't know if he had made a mad dash through all of that brush and kept on going or not. But from behind a bush 5 yards in front of me I see two shaking hands come up. Lol ... end of escape attempt.
 

DreamRyderX

Active member
Dang!!!
.......Don't let "Shit on his Lip" Squire see that.......he'll demand yer badge.....you blatantly lied!! OMG!! You, as an Officer of the Law, you failed to tell the truth, & set that poor soul free to offend again......
 
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hatty

cynical profane bastard
shooting shooting.....victims tooting....... freedom bullets flying around....

What the fuck are Americans on? most of this shit would not be necessary to even talk about if criminals couldn't obtain a gun, or steal one from a mate or their crack dealer, or a "responsible" parent. And the cops are so poorly trained, racist, or trigger happy ( because they are so afraid of being shot) and they shoot first.

guns eh?....... what a time to be alive (or dead) in the US

/cue more NRA propaganda from DRX
 
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mothra

Administrator
Staff member
shooting shooting.....victims tooting....... freedom bullets flying around....

What the fuck are Americans on? most of this shit would not be necessary to even talk about if criminals couldn't obtain a gun, or steal one from a mate or their crack dealer, or a "responsible" parent. And the cops are so poorly trained, racist, or trigger happy ( because they are so afraid of being shot) and they shoot first.

guns eh?....... what a time to be alive (or dead) in the US

/cue more NRA propaganda from DRX

I don't get it. For the life of me i can't get it.

Loads of people dying from guns ... easy access to guns.

It's just straight forward logic.

Try telling them that though. Impossible. They'll tell you they need to be able to rebel against the government and stuff.
 

hatty

cynical profane bastard
I don't get it. For the life of me i can't get it.

Loads of people dying from guns ... easy access to guns.

It's just straight forward logic.

Try telling them that though. Impossible. They'll tell you they need to be able to rebel against the government and stuff.
And the "tyrannical government" have fucking drones with laser guided missiles.... (what merica makes best)

I'd hate to see seth, texan, and drx all turn up with their beloved AR-15s (made for recreational killing)

To a fucking drone fight......I don't think it would end well for them so it is no fucking excuse! In the meantime little kids are getting killed, killing, or when they come of age..... murder, suicide, robbery........ aahhh how long you got?

sounds swell ya'll

pink said it best......... fear
 
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DreamRyderX

Active member
I don't get it. For the life of me i can't get it.

Loads of people dying from guns ... easy access to guns.

It's just straight forward logic.

Try telling them that though. Impossible. They'll tell you they need to be able to rebel against the government and stuff.

Americans don't NEED firearms to defend themselves from the government, they have the RIGHT to use firearms for that PURPOSE, & other lawful purposes like self-defense....

Having the Constitutional RIGHT doesn't require the American People to prove a NEED, or anything else for that matter. We Americans have the RIGHT to Keep & Bear Arms to use for any lawful purpose, affirmed & defended by our Constitution, & the Federal Government is not permitted to infringe upon that RIGHT.

I know, I know........it's an alien concept to people brought up in system with a Monarchical history, where all permissions must be derived from a Monarchy, from which all power emanates.

Americans are self-governing, & the government serves the People, according to the People's Constitution. The American Constitution restricts the power of the government, & the permission to govern emanates from the consent of the American People, & can only continue with the People's ongoing consent.

The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution affirms, defends, & protects an American Citizen's Right to Keep & Bear Arms to use in Self-Defense.....of himself/herself, their loved ones, & friends, from all enemies, be they foreign or domestic, which includes their own government......


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hatty

cynical profane bastard
Americans don't NEED firearms to defend themselves from the government, they have the RIGHT to use firearms for that PURPOSE, & other lawful purposes like self-defense....

Having the Constitutional RIGHT doesn't require the American People to prove a NEED, or anything else for that matter. We Americans have the RIGHT to Keep & Bear Arms to use for any lawful purpose, affirmed & defended by our Constitution, & the Federal Government is not permitted to infringe upon that RIGHT.

I know, I know........it's an alien concept to people brought up in system with a Monarchical history, where all permissions must be derived from a Monarchy, from which all power emanates.

Americans are self-governing, & the government serves the People, according to the People's Constitution. The American Constitution restricts the power of the government, & the permission to govern emanates from the consent of the American People, & can only continue with the People's ongoing consent.

The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution affirms, defends, & protects an American Citizen's Right to Keep & Bear Arms to use in Self-Defense.....of himself/herself, their loved ones, & friends, from all enemies, be they foreign or domestic, which includes their own government......


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lalalalala.... i am not listening to the NRA bot....... we heard it the first time dickhead

i pity you drx
 

hatty

cynical profane bastard
why?..... because i'm not paranoid, and can drop my kids off at school and be safe in the knowledge they will return

fuck you americans are stupid.

go take your guns to a drone fight..... after which i will no longer have to tolerate your bullshit

And that mythical silky haired white dude from Palestine who was allegedly nailed to a cross does not love me because he isn't fucking real!...... more stupidity from drx

maybe jesus can raise all the dead child victims from your beloved weapons..... oh if it doesn't happen..... then he is just a mythical cunt

/(adjective not noun)
 
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DreamRyderX

Active member
Hatty, I will pray for you my friend.....


Fear not, we Americans will always prevail in the defense of our Freedom & Liberty, no matter the cost.........


And whether you believe in Him or reject Him, His love will never be deterred......
 
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hatty

cynical profane bastard
No matter the cost?

what if it was one of your kids, or loved ones with their brains blown out?

you lot are sick!
 
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DreamRyderX

Active member
No matter the cost?

what if it was one of your kid, or loved ones with their brains blown out?

you lot are sick!

Cest la vie, no government can legislate sanity
into the mind of the criminally insane if they are intent on murder......
 
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Shellandshilo1956

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Americans don't NEED firearms to defend themselves from the government, they have the RIGHT to use firearms for that PURPOSE, & other lawful purposes like self-defense....

Having the Constitutional RIGHT doesn't require the American People to prove a NEED, or anything else for that matter. We Americans have the RIGHT to Keep & Bear Arms to use for any lawful purpose, affirmed & defended by our Constitution, & the Federal Government is not permitted to infringe upon that RIGHT.
Exactly WHERE does it say that all US citizens have the individual/independent right to USE firearms? Other than referencing guns as part of a state's militia? NOWHERE!! The 2nd Amendment only allows US citizens to KEEP and BEAR arms. It was only the interpretive ruling by the Supreme Courts of the 2nd Amendment that allows citizens to USE firearms for legal purposes and for self-defense. This interpretation in the USE of firearms, is defined in State's statutes. Even these LEGAL RIGHTS are NOT unlimited or absolute.

People do have the right to keep and bear arms. But, they also have the right not to. Does anybody think that the government will take their guns away from them? Does anybody think that the government can actually take their guns away from them? So, why all the hype, and fear-mongering?

Americans are self-governing, & the government serves the People, according to the People's Constitution. The American Constitution restricts the power of the government, & the permission to govern emanates from the consent of the American People, & can only continue with the People's ongoing consent.
In theory, this was the original the plan. But NOT in practice. We are all anything but self-governing. And, the Government has never worked for the people, or requires the people's consent for anything. Trump clearly didn't give a shit about any of these restrictions on the power of the government(murdering citizens in other countries, and being impeach twice).

The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution affirms, defends, & protects an American Citizen's Right to Keep & Bear Arms to use in Self-Defense.....of himself/herself, their loved ones, & friends, from all enemies, be they foreign or domestic, which includes their own government......
Blacks, women, non-citizens, and minorities, were NOT afforded these rights in the early years. Even today, the mentally ill, felons, those with restraining orders for spousal abuse and family violence, those dishonorably discharged from the military, illegal drug users, minors and juvenile offenders, or those deemed under the "red flag" laws, are not afforded the right to keep, bear, and use firearms. Don't these people also have a Constitutional Right to KEEP, BEAR, and USE arms for lawful purposes and in self-defense? Clearly, they do not.

These are all very nice sounding platitudes, but they are meaningless in practice. In reality, it is just too late for the government to try and take 100's of millions of guns off of people. It would take centuries. Statistically, there is no justification for anyone to own, or need a gun. If we consider the fact that over 64% of all firearm deaths are from suicides and accidents, statistically, firearms should be banned. But I guess, money and patriotic-sounding platitudes, are more important than human lifes, right? I guess, just as some people need booze to give them power and courage, having the biggest gun can also serve the same purpose.
 
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DreamRyderX

Active member
Exactly WHERE does it say that all US citizens have the individual/independent right to USE firearms? Other than referencing guns as part of a state's militia? NOWHERE!! The 2nd Amendment only allows US citizens to KEEP and BEAR arms. It was only the interpretive ruling by the Supreme Courts of the 2nd Amendment that allows citizens to USE firearms for legal purposes and for self-defense. This interpretation in the USE of firearms, is defined in State's statutes. Even these LEGAL RIGHTS are NOT unlimited or absolute.

People do have the right to keep and bear arms. But, they also have the right not to. Does anybody think that the government will take their guns away from them? Does anybody think that the government can actually take their guns away from them? So, why all the hype, and fear-mongering?



In theory, this was the original the plan. But NOT in practice. We are all anything but self-governing. And, the Government has never worked for the people, or requires the people's consent for anything. Trump clearly didn't give a shit about any of these restrictions on the power of the government(murdering citizens in other countries, and being impeach twice).



Blacks, women, non-citizens, and minorities, were NOT afforded these rights in the early years. Even today, the mentally ill, felons, those with restraining orders for spousal abuse and family violence, those dishonorably discharged from the military, illegal drug users, minors and juvenile offenders, or those deemed under the "red flag" laws, are not afforded the right to keep, bear, and use firearms. Don't these people also have a Constitutional Right to KEEP, BEAR, and USE arms for lawful purposes and in self-defense? Clearly, they do not.

These are all very nice sounding platitudes, but they are meaningless in practice. In reality, it is just too late for the government to try and take 100's of millions of guns off of people. It would take centuries. Statistically, there is no justification for anyone to own, or need a gun. If we consider the fact that over 64% of all firearm deaths are from suicides and accidents, statistically, firearms should be banned. But I guess, money and patriotic-sounding platitudes, are more important than human lifes, right?
Shelly....you have the RIGHT to your own personal opinions, as do I, & we both have the RIGHT to express them freely as we both will & do. Therefore, I choose to exercise my RIGHT to respectfully disagree......As you know, you're free to do the same if you wish.

 

hatty

cynical profane bastard
there is no talking to this cunt.

talks so tough yet he ran like coward to our safe shores

we don't fucking need or want guns and the harm they cause here...... if you do drx then i respectfully disagree with you......... and you can fuck off back to where they do need lethal penis, ego enlargements.

have a nice day.....
 
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