Another mass shooting in the USA ... 9 killed

greggerypeccary

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Schools, concert halls, and stadiums are where guns aren't allowed. Crime is far worse in Democrat districts than Republican districts. Maybe we should ban Democrats.

The Bill of Rights was written to keep government in check. Personal protection is a side benefit. How many millions of people were murdered by their own government after gun confiscation? I'll take my chances armed. Do what you like.
It must be horrible to live your entire life in fear.

I pity America.
 

mothra

Administrator
Staff member
So you are saying there is no point where its justified to rebel against your government? Did Germans have the right to take up arms against their government in the 1930s? What about people enslaved in China or Africa? Don't think it could never happen to you.

Oh i've been rebelling against various governments for more than half of my life, Texan. Never needed to be armed. I've done it through political agitation, advocacy and public awareness.

See, i have faith in the democratic process, well, at least enough faith to get by.

I see no possibility of Australia becoming a despotic regime, and i say that despite living the overwhelming majority of my adult years under the fucking liberal party. And no, that word means something else here than it does over there.

And anyway, over in your country, armed insurrection could only possibly lead to civil war. You're split down the middle. You want that again?

There are a great many problems with the US. Guns aren't going to solve any of them. Getting rid of guns would solve more than a few. And that's global guns. You're obsessed, the lot of you. People are dying. And you don't see it.
 

DreamRyderX

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Well, it seems like we will go around, & around, & around on this ever so important issue........until we all fall down.....with no resolution in sight


You on the Progressive Left here in Australia, who have never had to fight for anything on your own...in your own country....for survival......you will never understand why American's have the Right to Keep & Bear Arms, & us Americans who do understand our American history, & the history of the world's murdering tyrants, especially of the 20th century, Americans will never give in to relinquishing our Right to Keep & Bear Guns......EVER.....If Americans have to fight another bloody Civil War.....& I certinally hope it never comes to that.......but if we do, then so be it.......the stakes are high enough to endure such a conflict......another thing you non-Americans will never understand in 10 of your lifetimes....

Just because a few kids get shot up by a deranged individual now & again, or a few people end up shot to death in a movie theater, a dance club, or a concert.......no, it's because we understand the big picture, Americans are not going to knuckle under to how the false Politicians or the Media sensationalize a few deaths, to give up the Right to protect ourselves.....not from the errant thugs who break down doors & terrorize & rape old people & children.....not to hunt or enjoy shooting sports.....but to give up an American Constitutional Right to defend themselves from their government, which was the actual purpose of the Second Amendment when written.




Transcript:

WHAT SHOULD WE DO ABOUT GUNS?

NICHOLAS JOHNSON


The next time you hear a politician call for “common sense gun control” listen for the details.
You are likely to be treated to a torrent of platitudes about assault weapons, gun show sales and other half measures.

These sorts of proposals are rooted in a theory of gun control that has been around since
the 1960s. The basic idea is that fewer guns equal less gun crime. But for this theory to
have even a chance of working drastic reductions in the supply of guns will be necessary.
Everything else amounts to security theatre.

The late Senator Howard Metzenbaum, a strong gun control advocate, explained it this way:
“If you don’t ban all guns you might as well ban none of them.”


But few, if any, politicians who call for “common sense gun control” have the courage to
propose this. Even putting aside the issue of the Second Amendment to the Constitution,
which affirms the right to keep and bear arms, a gun ban has no broad popular support.
Nevermind the conservative states, handgun ban referendums failed by large margins in
two of our most liberal states - Massachusetts in 1976 and California in 1982. No serious
attempts have been made since then.

Recently Australia’s gun control efforts have gained new prominence as a possible model for
the United States to follow.

Let’s take a closer look at Australia.

In 1996, after a lunatic used a semiautomatic rifle to murder 34 people in Tasmania, the
Australian government banned all semi-automatic rifles and repeating shotguns. Owners of
roughly 700,000 registered firearms – about a quarter of the country’s three million total
guns – were required to turn them in for destruction. The government called this a “buyback,”
but in fact no one had a choice.

As my research shows, this model will not work in the United States for the simple reason
that the US has roughly 395 million guns. This is orders of magnitude more than any other
country. Even if the Australian plan were tried in the US and worked to perfection, we’d still
be left with over 275 million guns, including handguns, which account for nearly 80 percent
of gun crime. But gun confiscation has never worked to perfection, and sometimes threatens
to make things worse.

The 2007 International Small Arms Survey studied 72 countries that attempted to enforce
gun confiscation or registration on their citizens. They found massive defiance of these laws
with only about a third (33%) of gun owners complying.

If Americans defy gun bans at just the average rate that has occurred internationally,
then we should expect tens of millions of guns to flood into the black market.
Not surprisingly politicians advocating for gun control prefer to avoid the thorny issues that confiscation raises.

Instead, they seek to have it both ways. They pursue the votes of gun owners by paying lip service to the Second Amendment and offering assurances that they only want to ban “the bad guns” like rifles with pistol grips. And at the same time, they pander to their core constituents with broad gun ban rhetoric, and supply control proposals that will have a marginal effect at best.

And when these meager efforts fail to pass or to work?

Blame the gun lobby.


So, to the glib critics of America’s gun culture, we should make this demand: If supply controls are the answer, describe precisely the full program of supply side policies you propose to stop the gun crimes that we all abhor. And then tell us how those policies will also allow lawful gun owners to keep and protect themselves with firearms.

If you cannot square these two things, then you must convince Americans that they are better off under policies that would disarm good people, in a fruitless attempt to keep bad men from getting guns.
 
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Texan

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Oh i've been rebelling against various governments for more than half of my life, Texan. Never needed to be armed. I've done it through political agitation, advocacy and public awareness.

See, i have faith in the democratic process, well, at least enough faith to get by.

I see no possibility of Australia becoming a despotic regime, and i say that despite living the overwhelming majority of my adult years under the fucking liberal party. And no, that word means something else here than it does over there.

And anyway, over in your country, armed insurrection could only possibly lead to civil war. You're split down the middle. You want that again?

There are a great many problems with the US. Guns aren't going to solve any of them. Getting rid of guns would solve more than a few. And that's global guns. You're obsessed, the lot of you. People are dying. And you don't see it.
So there is no way china could move in and take over Australia? They own farms and seaports and are heavily influencing your universities and politicians. It was only recently that china lifted the one child limit. How did that kid in front of the tank turn out in Tienemen Square? That could be you in a few years.

Of course, you could say the same thing about our Narcoleptic in Chief.
 

Squire

Active member
So there is no way china could move in and take over Australia? They own farms and seaports and are heavily influencing your universities and politicians. It was only recently that china lifted the one child limit. How did that kid in front of the tank turn out in Tienemen Square? That could be you in a few years.

Of course, you could say the same thing about our Narcoleptic in Chief.
Why would China want to take over Australia? The politicians are surreptitiously compliant to China while blathering bogus anti-China rhetoric.
 

hatty

cynical profane bastard
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Well, it seems like we will go around, & around, & around on this ever so important issue........until we all fall down.....with no resolution in sight


You on the Progressive Left here in Australia, who have never had to fight for anything on your own...in your own country....for survival......you will never understand why American's have the Right to Keep & Bear Arms, & us Americans who do understand our American history, & the history of the world's murdering tyrants, especially of the 20th century, Americans will never give in to relinquishing our Right to Keep & Bear Guns......EVER.....If Americans have to fight another bloody Civil War.....& I certinally hope it never comes to that.......but if we do, then so be it.......the stakes are high enough to endure such a conflict......another thing you non-Americans will never understand in 10 of your lifetimes....

Just because a few kids get shot up by a deranged individual now & again, or a few people end up shot to death in a movie theater, a dance club, or a concert.......no, it's because we understand the big picture, Americans are not going to knuckle under to how the false Politicians or the Media sensationalize a few deaths, to give up the Right to protect ourselves.....not from the errant thugs who break down doors & terrorize & rape old people & children.....not to hunt or enjoy shooting sports.....but to give up an American Constitutional Right to defend themselves from their government, which was the actual purpose of the Second Amendment when written.




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round and round with your regurgitated bullshit and fucking stupid memes.

fucking pure selfishness!..... ahhh who gives a fuck about a few kids so you can bolster your puny dicks...... The US has never been invaded...... you lot have done the invading! and i'm sure sure your shiny pink pistol would not have shot down the planes on 911, the Japanese at pearl harbour, or the drones sent by your tyrannical government..... so fucking spare me!

enjoy life here.......... brag about your shit gun laws that you ran away from you fucking coward.

We got bombed by the Japanese here just as you did ........ then fought alongside you in the south pacific and in Europe, Korea, Vietnam Iraq, Afghanistan........... aahhh how fucking long you got? and have had terrorist attacks. we haven't had a civil war as we aren't racist enough to go to war over wanting to own people, We haven't had a war of independence as we still get along fine with the UK.

What we don't have is mass shootings.............hhhhhmmmmmm

And Texan China's army is larger than our entire population.... If they came they would squash us like a bug.................. I don't think a couple of AR-15s are going to cut it! so that is a fucking false equivalency......

In the meantime I shall enjoy life free of fear and paranoia......, and the need to sleep with one eye open, packing heat at my sons soccer game, hope for the best, and enjoy no mass shootings.
 
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Texan

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Why would China want to take over Australia? The politicians are surreptitiously compliant to China while blathering bogus anti-China rhetoric.
China wants to take over everything. Don't listen to what politicians say. Watch what they do.

I have worked in 33 states without a gun at night in large cities all over the US. I've served in the military. You can think what you want about me, but I don't live in fear of anything. I do like to be prepared. A coworker was working in Minneapolis last week. Some idiot tried to stab him with a screwdriver. You never know.
 

Squire

Active member
China wants to take over everything. Don't listen to what politicians say. Watch what they do.

I have worked in 33 states without a gun at night in large cities all over the US. I've served in the military. You can think what you want about me, but I don't live in fear of anything. I do like to be prepared. A coworker was working in Minneapolis last week. Some idiot tried to stab him with a screwdriver. You never know.
Are you a professional burglar? Are you on the run?
 

Texan

Active member
Are you a professional burglar? Are you on the run?
Field engineer. I repair emergency power equipment inside businesses and they often will only let me touch their equipment on nights and weekends when their load is not quite as critical.
 

Squire

Active member
Field engineer. I repair emergency power equipment inside businesses and they often will only let me touch their equipment on nights and weekends when their load is not quite as critical.
They don't trust you? Do you have racist tattoos on your arms and head?
 

Texan

Active member
They don't trust you? Do you have racist tattoos on your arms and head?
They don't trust anybody. Some of these companies have millions of dollars riding on my performance and they want to minimize their losses if something happens during preventative maintenance. If I put the equipment in bypass and a drunk hits a power pole outside, there goes their money. This is typical of a room that I work in.

 
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