Biden threatened with communion ban over position on abortion

mothra

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US bishops vote to stop pro-choice Catholics receiving eucharist

Roman Catholic bishops in the US have voted to press ahead with moves that could result in Joe Biden being banned from receiving communion because of his stance on abortion, and that risks increasing tensions in a divided church.

After three days of online debate, the US Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) voted by three to one to draft new guidance on the eucharist. The unexpected strength of support for the move among the bishops was a rebuff to the Vatican, which had signalled its opposition.



Biden, a devout Catholic who attends Mass every weekend and carries a rosary that belonged to his late son, said in response to the vote that the matter was private: “I don’t think that’s going to happen.”

Conservative bishops are behind the push to draw up a new teaching document expected to say that Catholics who diverge from the church’s standpoint on abortion should be denied holy communion.

Bishop Kevin Rhoades of Fort Wayne-South Bend, who proposed the motion, said: “We need to accept the discipline that those who obstinately persist in grave sin are not to be admitted to holy communion.”

Cardinal Raymond Burke, a leading conservative and critic of Pope Francis, has previously said that politicians who “publicly and obstinately” support abortion are “apostates” who should not only be barred from receiving communion but deserve excommunication.

But some US bishops warned against the “weaponisation” of the eucharist. Speaking at the USCCB meeting, Cardinal Blase Cupich, the archbishop of Chicago, said most priests would be “puzzled to hear that bishops now want to talk about excluding people at a time when the real challenge before them is welcoming people back to the regular practice of the faith and rebuilding their communities”.

The new teaching document, to be drafted by the doctrine committee of US bishops, will not be binding on individual bishops, who have the right to decide whether a parishioner should be denied communion.

Wilton Gregory of Washington and Francis Malooly of Wilmington, Delaware – the dioceses where Biden usually attends mass – have both made it clear that the president is welcome to receive communion at their churches.

Biden, only the second Catholic to occupy the White House after John Kennedy, has said his faith shapes “all that I do” and it will “serve as my anchor” through his term in office.

On abortion, Biden has said he personally believes life begins at conception, but recognises others do not share his view. “What I’m not prepared to do is impose a precise view that is borne out of my faith on other people,” he said in 2015.

The Biden administration has lifted restrictions on federal funding for research involving human foetal tissue, rescinded a Trump policy barring organisations that refer women for abortions from receiving federal grants, and allowed women to remotely obtain a prescription for an abortion pill during the pandemic.

The Catholic church says that Catholics in public life should uphold principles consistent with its doctrine. But in a survey carried out by the Pew Research Center in March, more than two-thirds of US Catholics said Biden’s views on abortion should not disqualify him from receiving communion.

According to exit polls taken during last November’s presidential election, just over half of US Catholics (51%) voted for Biden and 47% voted for Trump.

Catholics for Choice, an abortion rights group, said it was profoundly saddened by the bishops’ vote. Jamie Manson, the group’s president, said: “In a country and church already riven with tension and division, today the bishops chose to be partisan instead of pastoral, cruel rather than Christ-like.”

The bishops will hold a debate on the teaching document in November, when it will require a two-thirds majority for it to proceed.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...e-VKYZHdcHwEUkXeW2MNJZh_ag#Echobox=1624173453
 

DreamRyderX

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And so they should....... ban ALL Abortion Proponents from ALL the blessed sacraments, except the "last anointing".... Extreme Unction.......give them one last shot to avoid the eternal fires of hell.

If they don't recant their present stance though, publicly excommunicate their asses!


 
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hatty

cynical profane bastard
loves guns and death........... how are them christian guns pro choice to their victims? BUT hates a woman's right to choose.

I gleefully excommunicated myself from that evil, fake, shit years ago

......to paraphrase DRX .....SHIT FUCKING HAPPENS

hypocrite
 

DreamRyderX

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loves guns and death........... how are them christian guns pro choice to their victims? BUT hates a woman's right to choose.

I gleefully excommunicated myself from that evil, fake, shit years ago

......to paraphrase DRX .....SHIT FUCKING HAPPENS

hypocrite
I do love my American Constitutional Right to Keep & Bear Arms, to use for ALL lawful purposes, especially the Right to use them in Self-Defense........I love ALL my Constitutional Rights when I'm in America......

I do wish Australia would have given it's Citizens the basic human right....the Natural Right to Self-Defense, but unfortunately the Australian Constitution does not affirm or protect an Australian Citizen's Natural Rights, even the Right to defend themselves......it contains no such "Bill of Rights" as the American Constitution does.


That said, I still do firmly believe in the Right of the Unborn millions, being butchered as I type, to life.......for the unborn does not have the ability to defend itself, & it's up to us.....the living.....to defend them from being murdered in the womb, as they are as I type this for you & everyone who reads......

 
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HBS Guy

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Why force a woman to go through with anwanted pregnancy. Some of the more hick states even ban abortion when the fetus is a result of rape or incest. Womens health services tend to disappear when abortion is outlawed in a state.

It is a woman’s body, her right to decide on abortion etc.
 

hatty

cynical profane bastard
nawww lets all look at the little ACTUALLY BORN tyke that DRX wishes to use to pull at the heartstrings.

now lets all imagine their brains all over the walls of a pre school from a fucking freedom bullet!

walking, typing contradiction
 
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mothra

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the percentage of AMericans who aren't religious has been on the increase (slowly) for decades.


I agree about the taxes

Yeah but the religious right is getting more and more powerful.

Statistics such as the ones you presented reflect large city dwellers, which is most of the population, but with the electoral college being what it is some very scary people indeed get themselves into positions of power.

You only need to look at the assault on women's reproductive rights over there to see that.
 

greggerypeccary

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loves guns and death........... how are them christian guns pro choice to their victims? BUT hates a woman's right to choose.

I gleefully excommunicated myself from that evil, fake, shit years ago

......to paraphrase DRX .....SHIT FUCKING HAPPENS

hypocrite
He's your typical right-wing, Trump-loving, American hypocrite.

Pro-life only when it suits them.

Never forget that these are the "people" who support the premeditated killing of restrained prisoners.

Sick, sick, sick.
 

Texan

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Why force a woman to go through with anwanted pregnancy. Some of the more hick states even ban abortion when the fetus is a result of rape or incest. Womens health services tend to disappear when abortion is outlawed in a state.

It is a woman’s body, her right to decide on abortion etc.
Except in cases of rape, the man and woman made their choice when they conceived a baby. We are dead and have no rights when we no longer have a heartbeat. That heartbeat begins 2-3 weeks after conception.

But I'll go the libertarian route. Go ahead and kill your baby if you think it's you're right. Just don't expect me to condone it or pay for your butchery through my taxes and don't kill that baby if the father is willing to take responsibility for him/her. I think it should require the consent of BOTH parents to kill a baby unless the mother was raped.
 

mothra

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Except in cases of rape, the man and woman made their choice when they conceived a baby. We are dead and have no rights when we no longer have a heartbeat. That heartbeat begins 2-3 weeks after conception.

But I'll go the libertarian route. Go ahead and kill your baby if you think it's you're right. Just don't expect me to condone it or pay for your butchery through my taxes and don't kill that baby if the father is willing to take responsibility for him/her. I think it should require the consent of BOTH parents to kill a baby unless the mother was raped.

Wait. You're saying women should be forced to have children against their wills if the father says he wants them to?

Are you for real?
 

johnsmith

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Except in cases of rape, the man and woman made their choice when they conceived a baby.
The only choice they made was to have sex. This might be news to you, but people often have sex without having babies. Crazy right?
 

Texan

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The only choice they made was to have sex. This might be news to you, but people often have sex without having babies. Crazy right?
We have this thing called contraception. Look it up. Abstinence works every time it's tried also.
 

pinkeye

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what a load of rot.

I understand why some men , and some women believe abortion is wrong.
I don't agree. Your country kills thousands of your own , through war, domestic violence, gangs, drugs and big pharma, gun laws... etc etc
But HEY, who runs ALL that stuff..?? Mainly..??? HMMM? and yet you'd condemn and deny a person to choose..??

Women should be able to flush these unwanted cells away, for the betterment of all. That it becomes an abortion is just a spurious and specious use of language, that denies the right of a person control over their own selves.
By Law. You advocate for that.
That seems to really fly in the face of the vaunted beliefs you all hold about human rights.
You are a hyprocrite but are incapable of grasping that idea.
 

HBS Guy

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You cannot ban abortions. You can only ban safe, medically supervised abortions. Backyard abortionists will be in business where legal, safe abortion is banned.
 
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