It is still happening ... US police shoot black teenage girl who was unarmed at time of shooting

johnsmith

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The left won't be happy until local law enforcement has been rendered useless with red tape, defunding, and disarming. Only then can Democrats in Washington introduce federal police. I don't think a bigger policeman is what the left had in mind, but that's what they will get.

crap!
 

johnsmith

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Not when someone is actively stabbing someone. A couple of the limitations of the Taser are range and accuracy. When it is fired, two darts are fired, both connected to the Taser by wires. In order for the Taser to work, both darts must make contact and stick. If one misses, it doesn't work. As the darts travel away from the Taser, the distance between them expands, and the slower they go. So the further away that the target is, the less likely it is that both darts will hit the target and stick. The maximum range of those darts is about 7 yards, but the Taser is most likely to hit the target effectively at about 3 yards and closer. It is also far harder to get an accurate Taser shot with both darts when the target is moving rapidly and unpredictably and close to the Taser's maximum range.

Taser's are generally used against unarmed people who are fighting and resisting arrest, not people who are actively assaulting the officer or another person with a deadly or dangerous weapon.

We must remember that had the officer fired the Taser instead of his gun in this case, the Taser very likely would have failed, allowing the girl in pink to be stabbed. Had she been stabbed in the chest or neck, she could have died.

The officer's choice to use the gun was correct and consistent with his training.

Ok, thanks for the explanation. In light of that, it looks like the shooting was justified.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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If you watch the video I provided, the incident is shown in real time and in slow motion. I don’t like watching shootings either, btw.
We do have that in common. I've seen enough needless death and horror to last many lifetimes.

Not necessarily. As you can see in the video, if you watch it, her potential stabbing victims are doing everything they can to avoid getting stabbed.
I remember during my basic training at the academy. I remember my hand to hand combat trainer, Mr. Molo, telling us all that he had been attacked with a knife 7 times. And, 7 times he was stabbed. If an expert can't avoid being stabbed(myself included), then what chance has a child? It was either pure luck(divine intervention) that no one was even scratched, or she never had any intentions of stabbing anyone. IMHO.

She is not a “little girl”. She is 16. She is just as big or bigger than many adult women.
15 or 16 year old females, are still developing mentally and physically. They are still trying to imitate their perception of life. Adolescents process information differently than adults. It is also an evolutionary disadvantage for females to kill each other. Hence why their sympathetic response is to "mend or to befriend". Her physical size is totally irrelevant to being an adult. Not her age.

Almost. She had trapped a potential victim against a car and wound back her arm to stab when bullets hit her, stopping her.
I guess we will never know if that's true, will we? Maybe she would have stabbed her, or maybe she wouldn't have. How many adults have been killed by cops, who have made these wrong assumptions(reaching for a torch, wallet, ID, etc.)? I personally, would rather have the other girl actually stabbed, before deciding to put a bullet in the back of another little girl. Children can recover from being stabbed, then from numerous bullets to the back. With children, their intent may not always be clear. And, I couldn't live with myself, knowing that the child's intent was only to threaten, and NOT to kill.

Several minutes, but irrelevant.
If this had been going on for 30 min. prior to the police arriving, then it IS absolutely relevant. It goes to her intent. It goes to the knife being used as a defensive, or offensive weapon.

None, but irrelevant.
If you are going to claim that this girl was trying to stab multiple people, then it would add more credence to that claim, if at least someone is actually cut or stabbed. I guess everyone was lucky that day, except her. Does anyone even know what this was all about?

There IS training that prepares officers to recognize deadly and dangerous weapons, and it is their job to stop a person if they are carrying out a potentially lethal assault with such a weapon
I didn't see the video. I also said training to shoot a female child. NOT training to know when to use lethal force. I have been in these armed single idiots, attacking multiple victims situations, at least twice that I can remember(although both were adult males with a knife and a samurai sword). Warning shots work to get their attention, before giving commands. And yes they are illegal, and yes I copped the reps. But they work, and can avoid the need to take a life. Warning shots are only illegal, because cops have abused it.

Every bouncer knows, that when females are fighting, they will become psychotic. You either let them tire themselves out, or you do something drastic to get their attention.

He didn’t have any choice.
There is always a choice, when the choice is to shoot down a young girl. I certainly couldn't do it. Unless she was actually stabbing someone. And even then, I would run to grab her. No one would be saying, that you should have shot her first. His actions may be justified, but he certainly had a choice.

I know from experience that the vast, vast majority of police officers don’t want to have to shoot anyone, much less a female, and much less a 16 year old. That is not what they were hoping for when they chose that line of work.
I agree that most cops don't want to kill a child. But some of the guys I worked with in CSTF/SCU, and Narcotics, wouldn't have given it a second thought. As long as they could claim, that they were in fear of their lives, or the lives of others, they couldn't care less if it was the fuck'n pet dog. The job itself tends to change some people.

Seth, I have already stated that this was a justifiable shoot. The law is quite clear. I'm only saying, that it would take more than a young girl threatening other girls with a knife, for me to shoot and kill her. And, that it would take a better(or worse) person than me to do so. I doubt if any Australian male cop would ever shoot and kill an Australian child weilding a knife.

My other question was, "You are an armed off duty cop passing a Jr. High school. You noticed a young female with a knife threatening to stab multiple students in the play area. Do you scream out the alarm to get the attention of monitors? Do you climb the fence to try and save the victims? Or, do you just shoot her dead, and claim you were defending the victims life? We always have choices!!

I also agree that the adults watching all this, should have done something to stop it. They are certainly no heroes. But, their inactions did not kill her. So they are not to blame.
 

johnsmith

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I also agree that the adults watching all this, should have done something to stop it.
As I understand it they were all there to confront the 16yr old and thats why she grabbed the knife. Any so called 'adults' should never have ganged up to bully a teenager. They are just as guilty as she is for what happened

Tragic that it went so far.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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As I understand it they were all there to confront the 16yr old and thats why she grabbed the knife. Any so called 'adults' should never have ganged up to bully a teenager. They are just as guilty as she is for what happened

Tragic that it went so far.
If that is true, then that would explain why none of the adults did anything after the cops arrived. That would also mean that the knife for defensive, and not offensive. And, why no one intervened, or was cut.

These cowards are responsible for her arming herself for protection, but NOT for her death. Otherwise, we risk a slippery slope of who to blame.
 

mothra

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As I understand it they were all there to confront the 16yr old and thats why she grabbed the knife. Any so called 'adults' should never have ganged up to bully a teenager. They are just as guilty as she is for what happened

Tragic that it went so far.

John, have you got a link to that? Or a lead i can follow?

Bloody packs.
 

mothra

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Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if mental health issues are a factor here.

Yet another reason for non-lethal instruments at cop's disposals.
 

johnsmith

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That would also mean that the knife for defensive, and not offensive.
originally it may have been so yes, but the woman she tried to stab posed no immediate threat to her once police arrived. For some reason she went after her and left the cops with no choice.
 

Shellandshilo1956

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originally it may have been so yes, but the woman she tried to stab posed no immediate threat to her once police arrived. For some reason she went after her and left the cops with no choice.
In the heat of the moment, this teenage girl, was NOT in her right mind. She needed something other than a bullet in her back, to get her attention. I certainly agree that the cop's action was justified, but it certainly was NOT his only choice. He could have taken the 10 seconds to tackle her and take the knife away. He could have fired a shot in the air to get her attention. He could have started singing the blues, doing the moonwalk, or acting crazy to get her attention. There is always a choice before choosing to take the life of a 15 or 16 yo girl(or any women). I certainly would never have taken the shot. Especially, under these circumstances.

I doubt if any outback oldtimer male copper, would shoot and kill a teenage girl, for brandishing and threatening other teens with a knife. IMHO

Only God NOW knows what her true intentions were. The evidence only points to, that she had no intentions of stabbing anyone. But it is all academic now. Maybe she went back to this girl, just to put the fear of God in her. Anyway, just another justifiable killing by cop, and the last moments of a teenage girl behaving badly. I really miss the old dinosaurs in LE. They would have only seen "woman first" in their mind. And, then started to strategize a non-lethal plan of action.

Today's modern cops only see people, in terms of "them and us".
 
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