Morrison defends mostly peaceful protesters - the left loose their minds!

[chris155au]

Again, you just keep changing the goal posts. And off on another tangent.

No tangent. It's VERY simple. Companies have done their own vaccine mandates outside of government mandates! BHP is an example, which you should know since you cited it! I seriously don't understand why you are having such a hard time understanding this!

Understood. Whether you are aware of them is irrelevant.

Can't you give an example of a business which is ignoring government vaccine mandates?

 

[HBS Guy]

Like the flu shot—a yearly booster. You afraid of a needle? Seems so!

 

[chris155au]

Like the flu shot—a yearly booster. You afraid of a needle? Seems so!

Free of charge?

 

[HBS Guy]

Does that matter?

 

[johnsmith]

Omicron worse than delta

that's still to be determined

 

[HBS Guy]

More infectious anyway!

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

No tangent. It's VERY simple. Companies have done their own vaccine mandates outside of government mandates! BHP is an example, which you should know since you cited it! I seriously don't understand why you are having such a hard time understanding this!

If you have something to contribute here, then do so. Stop bouncing off everything that I deposit. And jumping from one rabbit hole after another. I'm just arguing with myself!

Can't you give an example of a business which is ignoring government vaccine mandates?

NO! And, why do you keep asking??

Like the flu shot—a yearly booster. You afraid of a needle? Seems so!

At least the seasonal flu vaccine uses real attenuated, cell-based, egg-based, and recombinant flu viruses. In other words, REAL PATHOGENS. Not this lab created strand of mRNA hitching a ride on a monkey cold virus, entering a healthy muscle cell, and forcing the cell to start making viral spikes on its surface. And, then a booster shot to do more damage? This is medically ridiculous. YOU should certainly be afraid of this needle.

More infectious anyway!

More irresponsible fear-mongering and disinformation!

bullshit

So you are saying that no vaccinated people have died from Covid-19? And, you are saying that no vaccinated person is in hospital receiving treatment for Covid-19? Or, does "bullshit" only mean that this just can't be so?? Oh, and what about the rest? Or, were you just cherry-picking and hoping again? Would you like to see the stats? Or will they also become bullshit as well???

Yes, hopeless bullshit from vaccine delayers.

Delta worse than original COVID
Omicron worse than delta

Still those afraid of a needle pretend COVID is just the sniffles and the immune system is all you need etc.

FFS get the double jab then the booster.

Then please point out where the bullshit begins. Let's hear the informed position of the "vaccine gullible". Surely you should be able to convince "vaccine delayers" why their rationale is wrong? Let me help. Just name ONE thing on the list that is wrong? But you must also explain WHY it is wrong. "It's all bullshit" will just not be good enough!! And parroting government/media soundbites, also a no-no.

How exactly is the Delta variant worse than the SARS-CoV-2 variant? How is the Omicron variant worse than the Delta variant? Do you think that people should have the right to choose to be vaccinated or not? Did you know that people who caught the flu in the past, have also developed some immunity to this corona virus? No, of course not!

And, for over 80% of Covid-19 sufferers, their symptoms are no more than the sniffles and a cough. And, our immune system is truly all we do need. It certainly is for children. And, now you want to destroy their natural immune system. You clearly know nothing about the importance, the development, or function of the human immune system.

Do you really believe that doctors, nurses, and other healthcare professionals, are choosing not to be vaccinated, because they are afraid of a needle? Really?? I'd really re-think this idea through.

 

[HBS Guy]

More infectious, causes more than just a case of the sniffles.

You were afraid of a needle, read some crap, reinforced your fearand now you bloviate vaccine denial every day. Not every vaccine is an mRNA vaccine.

 

[chris155au]

Omicron worse than delta

that's still to be determined

More infectious anyway!

More infectious would be worse wouldn't it?

 

[chris155au]

If you have something to contribute here, then do so.

I already did, over a week ago. I said:

If a business fires someone for not getting the jab due to their own voluntary policy, is that so much better than if it was due to a government mandate? It IS from a business freedom perspective, but obviously not from an employee freedom perspective.

And then you said that businesses are not doing their own mandates outside of government orders, even though you cited BHP as an example of a company which, in your words, "tried to mandate its workers to be vaccinated or be sacked" and "their actions was deemed unlawful." How weird!

Can't you give an example of a business which is ignoring government vaccine mandates?

NO!

Why not?

And, why do you keep asking??

I'm interested, that's why.

 

[johnsmith]

So you are saying that no vaccinated people have died from Covid-19?

I didn't say any such thing. Stop being a dickhead all your life

And, you are saying that no vaccinated person is in hospital receiving treatment for Covid-19?

see answer above

 

[johnsmith]

More infectious anyway!

just earlier saw some doctor on the news. Early info from out of SA is that 7 times more children are being admitted into hospital with Omicron than were previously with other variations of the virus

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

And then you said that businesses are not doing their own mandates outside of government orders, even though you cited BHP as an example of a company which, in your words, "tried to mandate its workers to be vaccinated or be sacked" and "their actions was deemed unlawful." How weird!

The only thing that is "weird" is your continuing the misrepresent my words to make them fit into your irrelevant narrative. Let me ask you one question.

If there were NO government Covid-19 mandates. Would there be any Covid-19 industry mandates?

The decision by BHP had little to do with Covid-19 mandates. But had everything to do with the government trying to circumvent normal enterprise bargaining practices, to impose their mandates. Not because the government just wanted unvaccinated employees to be sacked. Did you also read about the unvaccinated workers in Covid-19 concern areas of NSW, not being allowed on certain construction sites? Please look at the entire story. Not just the selected parts of the story.

I already did, over a week ago. I said:

That was a week ago!!!

Why not?

Why do you think? Work it out.

I'm interested, that's why.

Do you really think that I would tell you the names of all the businesses, that will ignore these vaccine mandates, and continue to be of service to the community? Maybe these people have the common sense to realize that 99.9% of the population is not even infected. Maybe these people believe that No Australians should be discriminated against, simply because of their vaccination status. Maybe these people don't want government telling them how to run their businesses, under the threat of fines and imprisonment. Maybe these people believe that all people should have the right to decide what is put into their body, without being shamed or coerced.

So again, it is none of your business. But hey, unvaccinated people can attend funerals. Why? Because of the short notice. If this isn't ridiculous, then nothing is.

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

I didn't say any such thing. Stop being a dickhead all your life



see answer above

Then WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SAYING "BULLSHIT" TO??? Are you agreeing with what I said or not? You moron! You always say thing that will later cover your ass whenever you're challenged. So whenever you're questioned you go into denial mode. And, whenever you're asked what you actually did mean, you go into avoidance mode. And, we begin again playing these silly cat and mouse games. Until I get "troll-bored"!!

Is there anything that you believe in, that you are willing to openly defend or debate????

just earlier saw some doctor on the news. Early info from out of SA is that 7 times more children are being admitted into hospital with Omicron than were previously with other variations of the virus

Since the beginning of this so-called pandemic in Australia, only 3 kids have died WITH Covid-19(1 under 10, 2 under 20). All had serious comorbidities(not mentioned)!! But by all means, lets just pump them full of this poison, JUST IN CASE, AND FOR THEIR OWN GOOD!! Lets not mention that children are biologically much better suited to handle any viral infection naturally(born out by the stats). Right? Lets not let the facts to get in the way. You don't give a shit about the science or the facts anyway.

Just more irresponsible fear-mongering, and parroted half-truths and soundbite, by ignorant government toadies and sycophants.

Omicron? The only thing that is known about this variant is, that it is a variant. And, that there is some evidence that it can re-infect people. Is it more dangerous? Of course not! Yet you all act like this is your new drug fix. You seem to be looking for anything to justify your hysterics and need for panic.

We know nothing about it. But, like all mutated phenotypic variances, it will always be weaker than its original genotype, in some respect. What should be raising red flags, is why are these coronaviruses are having so many mutations? It is the only RNA Coronavirus that has a genomic proofreading mechanism. It should incur very few mutations. We would expect to see many mutations in the influenza viruses(which is why you have boosters every year). Because they don't have a proof-reading mechanism.

 

[johnsmith]

Then WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SAYING "BULLSHIT" TO?

Vaccines DO NOT prevent deaths
Vaccines DO NOT prevent hospitalization

 

[HBS Guy]

Just a yearly shot like the flu jab.

 

[chris155au]

If there were NO government Covid-19 mandates. Would there be any Covid-19 industry mandates?

Of course there would. BHP and Qantas proves it!

The decision by BHP had little to do with Covid-19 mandates. But had everything to do with the government trying to circumvent normal enterprise bargaining practices, to impose their mandates.

How did the decision by BHP have ANYTHING to do
with government, vaccine mandates or otherwise?

Do you really think that I would tell you the names of all the businesses, that will ignore these vaccine mandates, and continue to be of service to the community?

Why not? You said that it was public information!

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

Vaccines DO NOT prevent deaths
Vaccines DO NOT prevent hospitalization

If you are saying that it is BULLSHIT that,

Vaccines DO NOT prevent deaths
Vaccines DO NOT prevent hospitalization

then you are saying/meaning that,

Vaccines DO prevent deaths
Vaccines DO prevent hospitalization

Therefore, this means that vaccines WILL prevent people from dying from Covid-19. And, that vaccines WILL prevent people from being hospitalized with Covid-19. None if these are true. So now let's let the dodging games begin about some imaginary 3rd option.

Remember, these are the valid reasons that I REFUSE TO BE VACCINATED! I have no problems with others making their choices. But leave me and my family the fuck alone. If you are going to force me, coerce me, fine and imprison me, discriminate against me, or take my job away from me for not being vaccinated, then you had better make sure that at least ONE THING ON THE FUCKING LIST IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE!!!

So, unless you'd like to explain why something on the list IS JUST bullshit, go troll elsewhere!!

 

[HBS Guy]

You are afraid of a needle and that is all there is to it. You have MUCH less chance dying if vaxxed.

 

[Shellandshilo1956]

You are afraid of a needle and that is all there is to it. You have MUCH less chance dying if vaxxed.

Look, you are obviously not a stupid person. Our immune system is already immune to, and has the weapons(T-cells) to fight every possible pathogen in the universe(Black Death, Typhoid, Malaria, Small Pox, SARS-CoV-2, Polio, etc.). It doesn't need vaccines to kick-start its response artificially. Our immune system has been fighting pathogens for 100's of millions of years. It needs no help. Vaccines are NOT a scientific construct to fight against any disease. And, THESE new genetic(mRNA, DNA) vaccines, only clog the immune system with antigen-specific, high-affinity antibodies, that are specific only to ONE antigen(spike protein). All vaccines have only ONE therapeutic value in healthy people. They can reduce the symptoms of the disease. Remember, it is your immune system that fights against viruses(and any other pathogen), NOT THE VACCINE!!

If you put a tiny splinter into your arm, it would illicit the same kind of immune response as a vaccine. If your immune system is weak, overactive, or compromised, then vaccines can be useless or dangerous to you. Why can't you understand this?? If you are a 90yo diabetic, with pneumonia and a congenital heart and kidney disease, then being vaccinated is truly the least of your problems. If people just want to feel more secure, then go for it. But don't force, coerce, shame, or discriminate against those who think they know better. And, can actually back it up.

The government only implies, insinuates, and infers everything that it says. Yet, you take their unscientific gibberish as fact. Everything I've said here is a verifiable truth. And, you dismiss it. Every scientific evidence that I deposit you dismiss or ignore. Every question I've presented, you ridicule and ignore. EVEN WHEN THE EVIDENCE IS HAPPENING IN REAL TIME, AND TO REAL PEOPLE(discrimination, fines and arrests, curfews, etc.)!!! You can't even dispute anything on the list, can you?? That is, without parroting more government soundbites and meaningless platitudes!!

I'm starting to believe that you are not interested in the truth, or in the facts. You are more interested in believing in a good story. A story about imminent death, destruction, and a viral end of the world apocalypse. That this is a fight to save the human species, from just one microorganism! I have told you the reasons why I won't be putting a poison into my arm. And, the only mature argument you can offer is, "that you're just scared of needles". Oh! And, how MUCH less chance does a vaccinated person have of dying from Covid-19, than a relatively healthy unvaccinated person? You do remember all those thousands of unvaccinated people who have survived before vaccines??? You don't have a clue do you? Just keep parroting!

I can only assume, that you agree that anyone who is not vaccinated, should be discriminated against, locked up or fined, ostracized, shamed and demonized until they comply. Just like the Nazis did!

These are the best series of videos, that can explain how the immune system works in details. And, avoids most of the complicated science. Please, please, take a look!!

Hope they provide you with more insight.