greggerypeccary
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It's like saying, "I supported Hitler up until 6 million deaths. 5 million is acceptable, but I draw the line at 6 million".
FFS, Seth - how could you support that animal for so long?
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FFS, Seth - how could you support that animal for so long?
After the election, I didn’t care that Trump challenged the outcome of the election through the courts. I never expected him to succeed, but I didn’t care if he tried. My thought was that that is what the courts and the legal system are there for: to resolve disputes peacefully and using the rule of law. I expected that there would be a normal transfer of power on January 20th.
On January 6th he lost my support to lead the country.
But I think he was mostly right on national policy. You don’t have to necessarily like a person to agree with him on national policy. The fact that you don’t like him has zero impact on you, your children, or your grandchildren. National policy does.
When the Biden administration took over, they set about to reverse all Trump policies, and today our country is reeling under out of control inflation, out of control fuel costs, rampant and brazen crime, shortages of goods, and out of control illegal immigration. We had a disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan that took the lives of 13 service members. And during that withdrawal, the Biden administration murdered an entire innocent Afghan family and then tried to cover it up.
“But he’s not Trump.”
Yeah, but national policy matters. I didn’t like Trump’s personality, but I didn’t vote for him based on “like” or “dislike.” And at least Trump was cognizant. I don’t believe Biden is in charge. I believe that his top political advisor and his chief of staff are running the country and making all decisions. I think Biden just dutifully does as he’s told, signs papers put in front of him, and reads from a teleprompter.
I think it’s a dangerous time, and I hope we get through it okay.
None of this should come as a surprise to you. I’ve written it all before. It’s nothing new.
greggerypeccary
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It has nothing to do with his personality.
He's a career criminal (who steals from children's charities) and is a self-confessed sexual predator.
He's one of the lowest forms of life on the planet.
Supporting him for anything, and for any amount of time, is utterly disgusting in my opinion.
He's a career criminal (who steals from children's charities) and is a self-confessed sexual predator.
He's one of the lowest forms of life on the planet.
Supporting him for anything, and for any amount of time, is utterly disgusting in my opinion.
Biden is just as morally bankrupt (sexual abuser, segregationist, sell-out to China), and so the choice was Biden or Trump. Neither of them are angels. Trump’s national policies were better. Biden’s have been a disaster.
greggerypeccary
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No it wasn't.
What about:
- Howie Hawkins (G) and Angela Nicole Walker (G)
- Jo Jorgensen (L) and Spike Cohen (L)
Shellandshilo1956
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People simply don't care about the truth. They only care about how it is wrapped. Trump, is a sociopath with INHERITED wealth. He proudly admits that he is intelligent, because he can thwart all business laws. He even said that he was running for office only to improve the recognition of his name brand. And, even that he never ever expects to win. Still no one cared. People never saw past his character. They ignored that his business practices and ethics was to lie, cheat, steal, and push the law to its limits. Which is why all the business failures and legal suits.
This draft-dodging misogynist career criminal had absolutely zero military, political, or even leadership experience. But this made him the perfect patsy for Corporate America, Wall Street, the MIC, and the MSM(just like Biden). He was their dream circus clown. He became through the media, the most well-recognized person on the planet. No matter what he did, it became news. They could then create any narrative they wanted and sell it to the people. Because they know, that most people are stupid sheeples, who will only rationalize what is blatantly obvious. The rest will simply jump on the bandwagon. As Goebbels said, "...as long as you keep it simple, and repeat it often enough, the people will believe you.". Only the people outside of the US could see Trump for what he is. An old, fat, lying, moronic, idiotic, embarrassing buffoon, to the US and the rest of the world.
Trump was never a political leader, diplomate, statesman, or even an Administrator President. He couldn't devise a political policy, even if it was shoved up his ass. What was his policy for building a wall? "Just get her down?". He is a Contractor President. Who simply appoint others to get the job done. If they failed, "You're Fired!". Even young Bush wasn't this dumb.
When will Americans learn that all parties are the same? That this rift of loyalties to a specific ideology is just artificially manufactured? Stop being placated for another 4 years, where nothing will again happen. Look at the specifics of what a politician promises you. If a politician tells you HOW he/she will bring our troops home, stop all foreign intervention wars, use $billons for housing, job creation, infrastructure, environment, and increase minimum wages, then it should be a no brainer who to vote for. But because we have been conditioned to be partisan, and are "glued to the boob-tube" orientated, Corporate America can easily convinced us what to believe, and even what to think. This is also why all "progressive" policies are ignored.
I don't give a shit what party you espouse to belonging to. I care about results and the specifics. Is $7.25 still the minimum wages in the US? Does the US still not have Universal Healthcare System? Has housing cost increased over 32% in the last 2 years? Is the cost of living(CPI-U) increasing every year? So why do you keep living for your 4 year promising fix?? As long as you stay mindlessly partisan, changes will be impossible. And, guess who will benefit the most?
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greggerypeccary
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An excellent post.
Can argue with any of your points.
"Trump, is a sociopath with INHERITED wealth."
Shellandshilo1956
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I remember when Andrew Yang talked about his Universal Basic income(UBI) of $1k per month, and his $15 minimum wage. This was far too progressive for conservatives and many liberal mindsets. They were conditioned to believe, that if it could be done, it would've been done. So, Yang was labeled as a progressive democrat, and his ideas were dismissed as radical. So, the minimum wage is still stuck at $7.20p/h. And, the morons are still bitching about it.
Tulsi Gabbard used just ONE simple and logical example on how to finance many social and infrastructure issue. She would simply use the almost $1B each month that is spent in Iraq alone, and use this money to increase the yearly federal grant for maintenance and repairs in the US cities. Again cognitive dissonance took over, and the rationalizing began. This couldn't be right, or it would've been done. So again, this policy was dismissed as too progressive and radical. So roads, infrastructure, emergency equipment, repairs, are still being neglected.
Even poor Bernie(and Tulsi) with his clear path to a Universal Healthcare System, was drown out by a media induced effort to confuse the issue. A simple system that most civilized country take for granted. His ideas were labeled again as too progressive, or as socialism. I wonder how many rich doctors, specialists, and private insurance board members voted for Bernie?
The people of the US don't want anything to change. They simply want to watch the political show every 4 years. And, to complain about the performances. Or, to just root for their party.
After hearing 3 candidates tell people what they WILL do, how they WILL do it, and how they WILL fund it, I was for the first time excited. Unfortunately, these were progressive candidates. So, their clear and obvious solutions were ignored. People only want to hear about what the candidate WOULD do! A distinction with a difference. America had 3 chances to address their social and environmental issues, and they chose theatre instead of substance.
So there is no more hope. America's poor and homeless will continue to increase. Minimum wage will stay the same. The average person will be fucked or on welfare for life. This America is no longer a beacon of hope and opportunity. It is a land of who you know, White privilege, separation between rich and poor, and who you can screw over for a bigger tip.
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No, no, no. It has absolutely nothing to do with Fox News. It has everything to do with what I have learned through reading non- fiction books about espionage and spy craft. And I emphasize “non-fiction.”
come off it seth ... now you're just repeating grabs from Fox
There is no way - NO WAY - that Biden didn’t know what he was doing when he was shopping his son around to Ukraine and especially China. You cannot be in high position in the federal government for as long as he had been, you cannot be the Vice President, and not know. There is no way!
What happened is he got a pass because he was the VP. To put it in perspective, imagine if a high ranking CIA official quietly did the same thing - made some sweetheart deal with the Russians or Chinese that enriched his immediate family. Would we be willfully naïve about that too? The cases of Robert Hanssen (FBI), Aldrich Ames (CIA), and John Walker (Navy) all provide examples of how this works. For god’s sake! Why would the Chinese make a billion dollar deal with a drug using loser like Hunter Biden? THINK!
You know what I think? I think that when Joe was the VP, he thought his political career was over. Hillary was the heir-apparent, and nobody predicted that Trump would run, win, serve only one term, and that Joe would become president. Joe was aging, he wasn’t going anywhere politically after the Obama years, and now was the time to cash in. And OF COURSE the Chinese were more than happy to accommodate him. They would have been fools not to, and the Chinese are not fools.
“Fox News” … pfft! Fox has exposed some of this, but my opinion has nothing to do with listening to Fox News. It does, however, have a lot to do with reading non-fiction accounts of how unfriendly governments compromise people in sensitive positions in our country. That material is not daffy conspiracy theory shit; it is real. It is history. It is fact. The Biden case is but just one more example of how this works, but it is the first time that it has been confirmed to have happened with someone in as high a position as the VP.
So give the dismissive “Fox News” deflection a rest. THAT is willful ignorance. It’s like closing your eyes, covering your ears, and screaming “La La La La”. And that, by the way, is exactly what most of our major news networks have done. They have done it for political reasons, and, very likely, for monetary reasons. For the corporations who oversee those news networks, it doesn’t help the bottom line to piss off the Chinese.
I’m just shaking my head at how easy it is to be willfully blind. You know who isn’t willfully blind? Our professional intelligence community. Privately, they must be shaking their heads too.
It may come as a surprise to you, but I agree with much of that.
Shellandshilo1956
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Well since you claim to be an impartial, objective independent politico, I should NOT be surprised at all. I do remember your comments and concerns regarding progressive policies. Your default concern was always about the cost/funding. But when funding was explained to you, your confirmation bias took over. You dismiss any funding explanations as impractical or just undoable. Yet no complaints about the instant appropriations of trillions of dollars to fund unnecessary and illegal foreign wars.
Your true belief is that all things should remain the same, UNTIL THEY CAN'T! As well as the belief in Reagan's "trickle-down" economics policies(which doesn't work in practice). Both are the benchmarks of conservative beliefs!
If a progressive says that he/she will increase the minimum wage to $15p/h, you will simply find an excuse to dismiss it. By asking, "How will it be funded?", "All changes should evolve slowly.", "I'm worried about too much government interference.", and finally, "It just can't work because it is obvious, therefore radical.". So let's just do nothing, and tell the poor, homeless, jobless, etc., that there will always be hope for you in the next 4 years.". And the next, and the next,...!
I am entertaining the belief that Americans are not interested in solving any social issue at all. They are clearly more interested in the fucking lives of the rich and famous, Bob the builder, or the might of US imperialism. The rich will continue getting richer, the poor poorer, the national debt higher, and only the names of the players will continue to change. Not the game!
Three progressives(one, overqualified to become President), who've told you that they will end all foreign intervention wars and bring all the troops home, increase minimum wages to $15, give every American over 18 a $1Kp/m UBI, end all student loan debts, create a completely free Universal Healthcare system, use the revenue from "peace dividends"(Tulsi), to address urgent social issues, end racial injustice, decriminalize marijuana at the federal level(so vets aren't addicted to morphine-based drugs), end the "cash-bail" system(Tulsi), and will introduce new Big tech reforms(Tulsi). All the answers and solutions handed to you on a platter. And, all you had to do was to just let them do what they said they WILL do. It couldn't be any simpler.
Big tech censoring Tulsi Gabbard and 'The Angle'
Tulsi Gabbard tells Laura Ingraham they are doing all they can to suppress her voice.
video.foxnews.com
But you dismiss them all, by labeling them all as lies, cons, or being socialistic! Just to keep hearing the same old repeated bullshit narratives. I simply feel sorry for all the generations of Americans who will continue to suffer forever, just because of the media's obfuscated pollution to purposely misguided beliefs. I also feel sorry for the visitor to America, who must witness all the beggars, adults demeaning themselves for tips, and see the filth and graffiti in the poorer areas. Again, whose agenda do you think will benefit the most??
again ... he helped his son get a job. Big deal. The same thing anyone else would do in that position if they felt their offspring needed a hand. I know I would if my son needed help and if you say you wouldn't I'd call you a liar.
I didn't see you cry when Trump put his daughter in the white house. Or his son in law. Of trump and Biden, TRUMP was the only one with business interests in china and with Chinese bank accounts ... and yet you never once applied the same standard to him. You're just repeating grabs from fox and justifying it to yourself.
Sorry, John, but bullshit.
Trump's daughter and son-in-law were unpaid advisors to the president. And the Trump family businesses were started long, long ago ... long before Trump entered politics.
And no, there is no possible way in hell or god's green earth that I would take my deadbeat, loser, crackhead son with me on Air Force 2 to China, of all places, and compromise myself and my country to get him a job. No ... fucking ... way.
I would think it was kinda sleezy - the typical sleeze that politicians besmirch themselves with - if he had put in a good word for Hunter, or called in a favor, with like the Ford Motor Co or General Electric or freakin McDonald's. But China! He enabled a deal to enrich his immediate family by making a deal with the Communist Chinese Party. Think about that! THINK! Take off the blinders, read something about espionage, counter espionage, and how intelligence agencies work, and then tell me "Big deal."
You cannot let the fact that you like Biden and hate Trump blind you to the obvious.
Or can you?
greggerypeccary
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I guess Ivanka made enough money by stealing from charities, hey?
Shellandshilo1956
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Seth, you really should do your homework. You are absolutely correct that Ivanka and Jared did refuse a salary for their positions as WH senior staff advisors. But a salary wouldn't cover 1% of all the money they did receive will in the Trump administration(up to $450M).
The anti-nepotism laws was enacted by Congress in 1967, and was accepted and followed by all Presidents since. EXCEPT TRUMP! His team like his SC Justice appointees, looked only at the letter of the law, to circumvent/subvert the INTENT of the law. They simply exploited a loophole in the wording of the law. They argued that the word "agency" did not apply to the Executive Office(which is not an agency). They were successful, and Trump and his family got a pass. Again, continuing a history of exploiting loopholes in the law. A result that now allowed two more sociopaths to use the Executive Office to make hundreds of millions of dollars.
Jared and Ivanka made up to $640 million in the White House - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington
Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump reported between $172 million and $640 million in outside income while working in the White House.
www.citizensforethics.org
A sordid family affair
Donald Trump exploited loopholes to build a White House rife with nepotism. Lawmakers must close them.
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Compared to these two monsters, Hunter was a saint. But please read the whole story about this Biden-Ukraine conspiracy of disinformation. Just use your common sense, and not your biased, disenfranchised, partisan imagination. Trump made DUMB mistakes TWICE, and then tried to cover them all up. But the cunt couldn't even do that right. He just created more evidence to hang himself. Hence, impeached twice!
Comparing a President trying to force a foreign government to find any dirt on the son of a political rival to discredit his rival, to an EXPERIENCED venture-capitalist lawyer being hired as a consultant, who is also the son of the Vice President, is a non-sequitur. The VP has very little powers to compel any foreign government to do anything they don't want to do. The former is an abuse of power(for personal gains) and illegal. And, the latter is an awkward situation at best.
Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory - Wikipedia
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Even if everything you said IS true about Biden. The VP can't personally withhold shit from any foreign country(loans, weapons, aid, etc.). Only a bi-partisan vote in congress, or the President that can do this. Unlike with Trump, where the evidence was overwhelming, no objective/independent evidence could prove any impropriety by Biden. "He must have known..", is only an argument from ignorance! And, the "Well, he did it to.." defense, is probably the most immature defense of them all.
Anyway, if you are a Stephen Seagal fan, please DON'T watch this video.
And if you believe that I've got a bridge I'm selling cheap .
They may have forgone their salary, but their salary is the least they were going to get out of it. They made ten times their salary and more just because of the access their position gave them. And you defend it.
greggerypeccary
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Shall we discuss this:
Ivanka Trump gets initial approval from China for 16 new trademarks—including for ‘voting machines’
President Donald Trump’s daughter and senior advisor, Ivanka Trump, last month won initial approval from the Chinese government for 16 new trademarks, covering a wide range of products that include “voting machines.”
greggerypeccary
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Would love to hear Seth's comments regarding this.
And when I say "comments", I mean I'd like to see how he's going to defend the Trumps' corrupt behaviour once again.
is that the same voting machine the trumpards have been crying are rigged?
Shock HorrorDo you think they'll ever realise they've been conned?
